Abortion

TombRaiderGurl > in this discussion you won't find many people that agree that if you have sex without protection you can use abortion as birthcontrol ... there is a difference between i.e. the condom breaking up (getting an abortion cause you DID use protection but it failed... that's why you need two things) and being victim of a rape (get pregnant against your will in a horrible way)

FE > so when the sex is determined you consider it life? by the same reasoning, you can't kill plants (also a bunch of cells) and animals... how will you survive? cause if it is for food, you're still a murderer
do you classify a plant as life too?

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
It's utterly amazing LOL how when someone doesn't agree w/you on a topic it turns into a bashing Party LOL
Omega, I have answered you, take my answer or leave it, cuz it's NOT changing.
It's obvious YOU don't read, or you would have seen that I said, exactly what I was putting in to search the web to view both sites, So how would that be that i was only looking at sites that I agree with??? I could however prolly in turn say that about YOU?? Do you try to see both sides of the coin?
life begins in stages, w/o that stage, there would never be life, so that STAGE of life is necessary, CAN YOU SKIP THAT STAGE in order for life to be created??

Touche on the web site lol you found one that used that terminology.

Pregnancy
Begins: Fertilization
The sperm fertilizes the egg (ovum) at the time of ovulation (release of the egg from the ovary), which typically occurs around d day 14 of the menstrual cycle. Only one sperm can enter the egg: THE MALE OR FEMALES SEX OF THE BABY IS DETERMINED AT THE MOMENT. Once fertilization occurs, the egg/sperm cell, called a zygote, begins to divide into multiple cells that start the development of differing tissues and organs. At this time, the developing baby is called an embryo. The embryo attaches to the wall of the uterus (womb) about 6 days after fertilization.

End of Week Two
The mother's blood supply (identified by the dark red blood vessels) can be seen beginning to surround the embryo; eventually it will connect with vessels the embryo forms to develop the placenta. The embryo (purple oval structure) is contained within the amniotic cavity and is connected to the yolk sac (brown oval structure) by a narrow yolk stalk. The yolk sac helps deliver nutrients to the embryo and fosters blood vessel development.
From the beginning of Week 9 onward, the baby is called a fetus instead of an embryo. During Week 9, the sex organs (genitals) develop male or female characteristics, but the sex of the child cannot be determined by ultrasound until several weeks later. All of the organs have begun to form by Week 9; they continue to grow and develop throughout the pregnancy. The fetus now grows rapidly and is almost two and a half inches long by the end of Week 10.

Basically what anti-abortionists want to do is take away a human being's right to choose.

Sure you can do it...but would that make it right? Not exactly.

no, they say claim it's not our rights to murder or kill life...

they fail to realise it's not murder nor that it is life 😉

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Fiery Eyes>

It is apparent that you refuse to answer the question because it is difficult to take the position that abortion is wrong when according to The Bible, God Himself has committed infanticide on quite a large scale.

You presume that because Omega and others, myself included, disagree with your view on abortion that we are grossly uninformed of your position. I assure you this is not the case.

No one is arguing whether certain developmental stages are necessary for a child to be born. The issue is whether or not a woman has the fundamental right to interrupt this process and you have failed to show that she does not.

You/Omega wanting me to answer a question to rather or not God has right to do that (which I am NO one to say that and I don't know ALL his ways, nor have I ever claimed to) has absolutely nothing to do with rather or not a woman shld have the right for abortion or not, you/she just brought that up cuz you know I'm a Christian, I've given tons of reason why I feel it's wrong outside the bible, I do feel the bible gives plenty of reasons why it's wrong, but thats not the only reason I feel it's wrong. I've never said, nor implied that any of you are uninformed, I would think that would be YOU to me thinking that, cuz I don't feel the same way that you do.(otherwise there would be no bashing cuz of disagreement) That stage in life is necessary for life to begin, to me that is murder and I don't think that anyone shld have the right to murder.
Even though you think it's "OK" to do that, have you heard me bash you over that? lol NOOO you haven't

Yrssst: I was just wanting peeps to see that the baby begins to develop in those 2 stages.

you ducked my other questions

Originally posted by yerssot
no, they say claim it's not our rights to murder or kill life...

they fail to realise it's not murder nor that it is life 😉

Pro-choicers shouldn't argue if it's life or not. They should argue that the choice should be availible. Pro-choice, not pro-abortion. It doesn't matter what kind of retort about life a pro-lifer comes up with, that's not the issue. The issue should be that the choice is availible. Whether it's life or not is not our concern, but if the ability to make a choice that would better the life of the already existing person is taken away, how is that any better than having an abortion? You just **** up two lives by taking away the choice, instead of one potential life.

Pro-choicers don't force anyone to HAVE an abortion, pro-lifers should force anyone NOT to have one.

FE > so when the sex is determined you consider it life? by the same reasoning, you can't kill plants (also a bunch of cells) and animals... how will you survive? cause if it is for food, you're still a murderer
do you classify a plant as life too?
Yrsst: didn't mean to dodge the question, No, I don't compare life to a plant as to life to a human. I've never seen a plant or an animal get a job, support a family, deal w/problems, situations, economy, family, kids...the list could go on and on. And i'm very very much an animal LOVER, I don't feel you shld kill an animal just to kill, only to eat to survive. (the law of the jungle)
😄 😄

I haven't seen an embryo or a foetus doing the same, your comparison is based on nothing... we are talking about a bunch of cells like plants are, not about a 25 year old Italian guy who opens a pizza place.

and eating to survive still makes you a killer. No matter how you think about it, you still kill animals.

is that plant going to grow up and become human?? that is my point yersssot. NO it will not, it will always be just a plant.

but it's also a bunch of cells, which you appreciate so much

it can evolve into a plant with the cure of cancer for all you know

with the cure of cancer?? There's tons of plants, flowers everywhere, where's the cure?? and there prolly is a cure they just don't want to let it out cuz they will lose so much money, but thats another thread i think LOL
A plant, flower will always be just that and they are everywhere, I don't know of anyone that says "today i'm going to go destroy plants and flowers everywhere" lol

"is that plant going to grow up and become human??"

No but neither is the cells if you stop them. Hence the point of ending them BEFORE there's a baby.

-AC

The point is they will become a human, a plant will always be a plant, no matter what.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
with the cure of cancer?? There's tons of plants, flowers everywhere, where's the cure?? and there prolly is a cure they just don't want to let it out cuz they will lose so much money, but thats another thread i think LOL
A plant, flower will always be just that and they are everywhere, I don't know of anyone that says "today i'm going to go destroy plants and flowers everywhere" lol

If a species is going to evolve eating one organism of that species wont stop it, you would have to kill every plant of that species until it is extinct.

perhaps she just did

Humans get pretty much all the vegetables and fruit they eat from farms, so that is impossible. Everything we eat we grow more of.

who said the plant was eatable?

Good point. I actually just assumed because I saw you guys talking about killing in order to eat and survive. My bad.