Abortion

"The point is they will become a human, a plant will always be a plant, no matter what."

Plants don't come out of nowhere. There are seeds that develop out of cells and indeed need fertilisation. So picking a seed up and keeping it in your pocket, preventing that would-be plant from BECOMING a plant, is just as bad as abortion?

I have a large feeling that despite it being exactly the same principle, you'll say "It's totally different" just because the being in question is a baby.

Hence why this debate always comes back to the worship of children.

-AC

So with that philosophy, somebody who chops down a tree is just as bad as someone who murders a human being? I am not even Pro-Life but I just don't see how that's the same thing. I don't think people who are pro-life are against any prevention of life, just the termination of the fetus after a women has already been impregnated. I am for medical progress and I don't have a serious problem with abortion if it's performed early enough, but it seems to me you guys are taking the other side's points out of context.

afro cheese... a tree is a bunch of cells if you simply and a baby starts as that too... so why say that stopping one in developing is wrong but say nothing wrong about plants?

Like I said, because a human life is more cherished than a plant. If picking up a seed = abortion then chopping down a tree = murder. If that's true, we have a lot of farmers and lumberjacks that we need to lock up.

Touche Afro!!!!

Originally posted by yerssot
perhaps she just did

LOL Cuz i view human life more than a plant? Come on you are just talking in circles now. There is absolutely no comparison when it comes to plants and humans. Like a said, a plant will alway be a plant, and there's millions of them.

Maybe the question that actually needs questioning is what is the length of time that abortion should be available for?Because if someone becomes pregnant after being raped, would it be fair to make them have that child?

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
LOL Cuz i view human life more than a plant? Come on you are just talking in circles now. There is absolutely no comparison when it comes to plants and humans. Like a said, a plant will alway be a plant, and there's millions of them.

A human will always be a human, and there are BILLIONS of them. What's your point?

exactly what I said: there is NO comparison when it comes to plants and humans.

"Like I said, because a human life is more cherished than a plant."

To who? Unless you forget the stuff we need to live comes from trees. We have a mutually benefical survival based relationship when it comes to that aspect of life, with plants and trees.

Fiery Eyes, being religious you are obviously some worshipper of human life.

Stop making humans out to be some clean happy race. Humans don't worship human life so what difference does an abortion make? None.

-AC

I said a human life is more cherished, not more beneficial to the environment. Of course we need trees, but human lives are held above trees because of the emotional aspect involved. Humans make friends, fall in love, mentally grow, etc. When talking about trees in general and humans in general, trees are more important because they can convert sunlight to energy and they create oxygen. But when dealing with ethics, killing one tree and killing one human are completely different things. I seriously think you know the difference.

A life compared to a life is still a life, therefore no difference. We may hold human life above plant life but maybe this is so because of ignorance. No life has more importance over another.

Stopping a tree from growing is like abortion, but there would usually be a rational explanation to stop it growing, just like abortion. If a person killed a tree after it had actually grown branches etc that is wrong just like abortion if the child is quite developed. But there must be a stage where abortion can be accepted. If the parents are aware of abnormalities etc that would majorly effect a child's quality of life(this knowledge being obtained before major developments) what would be the right thing for the parent to do? let the child be disabled, or not let the child suffer? 😕

OK... I don't exactly follow. All life is the same? So your against antibiotics that kill bacteria? Your against exterminators who kill rats or roaches? All life is not the same. Plants don't have feelings, they don't have emotions. If holding a human life above a plant's life is ignorant, then in order to not be ignorant we must consider killing a plant to be murder? Either that or stop considering killing a human to be murder.

I don't think it's possible to know if a child is disabled while abortion is still an option. Even if it was, why kill the child just because it's disabled? Would you rather live your whole life disabled or never live at all?

Just for the record, I believe that abortion should be an option for women who find themselves in the situation where one might help. But I wish people would stop acting like it's no big deal. If a young girl gets pregnant I would want her to have all the medical options available. But I would also want her to seriously contemplate abortion as what it is, which is terminating her potential child, and think about adoption as an alternative option. If she decides abortion is the way she's going to go, fine. But thinking about it as "it's just a group of cells" is while accurate, not giving proper seriousness to the situation.

I guess your rite and yes it is possible to tell if a child is disabled etc at an early period. Possibly the argument should be more about the limits of time abortion can be used, not whether it should be band all together or not

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
OK... I don't exactly follow. All life is the same?

Yes. We kill many, many things because we are humans, and human nature is corruptive and evil. All we want is for US to live. Not anything else. Who cares if a rabbit dies? Or a duck? Only we matter, right?

Wrong. Who are we to judge? Intelligence is not an excuse, it's fuel to the fire. It MAKES us want to kill other things for our own survival. All animals have the same nature, to survive. And intelligence is the one that makes us win out all the time. However we aren't intelligent enough to see that in the process the planet is being destroyed.

Humans weren't meant to live like this. We were meant to be walking around naked, maybe with tools, with our only goal in life being to reproduce as many times as possible. With superior intelligence, we have just become arrogant.

So you are telling me that ethically all killing is the same? Am I seriously the only one who doesn't put gardening and murder in the same catagory?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
So you are telling me that ethically all killing is the same? Am I seriously the only one who doesn't put gardening and murder in the same catagory?

I am not in any way agreeing PLANTS are equal to animals. Those are totally diffrent things.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Like I said, because a human life is more cherished than a plant. If picking up a seed = abortion then chopping down a tree = murder. If that's true, we have a lot of farmers and lumberjacks that we need to lock up.

if you go and are against killing a bunch of cells, you gotta protect those cells too

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
LOL Cuz i view human life more than a plant? Come on you are just talking in circles now. There is absolutely no comparison when it comes to plants and humans. Like a said, a plant will alway be a plant, and there's millions of them.

Originally posted by bigblah
Maybe the question that actually needs questioning is what is the length of time that abortion should be available for?

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it is still the same discusion?
of some it is bunch of cells for some it is human being.
for me the second one

The thing is... saying it isn't alive because it is just a "bunch of cells" is in some ways a contradiction. A cell is in fact by biology's definition the smallest structural unit of life. Every living organism on this planet is composed of one or more cells. Technically, I am just a bunch of cells. True I am trillions of cells, but still just a bunch of cells. See how that wording disguises the truth? So if I were to stab somebody on the street killing them, I could technically say what what I did was not murder, it was only the prevention of the further growth of billions of cells.