Abortion

Note that it is using just one set of a definition of democracy. Also note that before you take the entire quote out of context, Wiki goes onto say:

Therefore by its original understanding, "democracy" could be qualified as anything from representative governance to individual and mob rule.

And here is a poll I found. Again, just food for thought....

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

Oh, and here is the form of government for the United States:

Here we are, democracy restricted by the rule of law. Therefore, not a direct democracy, and thus, what I've been saying all along.

Originally posted by Ymir
Note that it is using just one set of a definition of democracy. Also note that before you take the entire quote out of context, Wiki goes onto say:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, ****ing what, where does it say a Republic is the same as a Democracy? It doesn't even cite examples of a Republican Democaracy. Your getting really desperate to the point of relying on wiki articles that contradict what you say. I'am an idiot for debating the likes of you.

You're not debating; you're denying fact.

Originally posted by Ymir
Oh, and here is the form of government for the United States:

Here we are, democracy restricted by the rule of law. Therefore, not a direct democracy, and thus, what I've been saying all along.

Constitutional republic

That's the title of that article.

Unlike a pure democracy, in a constitutional republic, citizens are not governed by the majority of the people but by the rule of law. Constitutional Republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the threat of mobocracy thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the tyranny of the majority by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.[2] The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who govern within limits of overarching constitutional law rather than the popular vote having legislative power itself. John Adams

I've used a source. What have you shown so far? I could give you several titles of various books dealing with this subject, but would that help prove my point in an internet debate?

Not all republics are democracies, since they are not bound to be so. Most republics are ruled by the rule of law, and thus do not necessarily fit into the definition of a democracy. However, by definition, all a republic is is representative government. Thus, a republic can be a democracy, but is not necessarily a democracy, which is why the terms are not interchangeable. The United States is both a democracy and a republic. It is not, however, a pure democracy.

As for the point above, you've only proved what I've been saying. A republic isn't a pure democracy. A pure democracy would be something like Athens.

Originally posted by Ymir
I've used a source. What have you shown so far? I could give you several titles of book, but would that help prove my point in an internet debate?

C'mon, man, look I'm sorry for insulting you, but you can't expect me to take someone who is refuted by their own source twice seriously.

You haven't refuted anything. Do you believe that there is only one form of democracy? Answer me that. A democracy is far too broad a term to be defined into one category, which is why there are various forms of democracies.

I do agree that it is annoying when a term like republic and democracy are used interchangeably, but the terms to overlap in many instances.

Originally posted by Ymir
You haven't refuted anything. Do you believe that there is only one form of democracy? Answer me that? A democracy is far too broad a term to be defined into one category, which is why there are various forms of democracies.

I'm aware that there are many types of Democracy's, but a Republic is not a Democracy. You have yet to prove it is, while I keep using the sources you believe support your argument against you.

A Republic takes idea's from many form a of Government and sythesizes a government based on both principles. Democracy litterally means "Rule of the People", and that's not what a Republic is all about.

I may have been an ass and I apologise for that, But you keep proving me right with almost every source you post.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm aware that there are many types of democracy's, but a Republic is not a Democracy. You have yet to prove it is, while I keep using the sources you believe support your argument against you.

Prove it.

If abortion continues, what will come next? Thats something I am more afraid of than accepted abortion. The acceptance of one thing once considered morally wrong, what will the next be? What path does that lead to I wonder.

I never said a republic is a democracy. I said a republic can be a form of democracy. You are trying to apply absolutes to my argument, and distort the initial argument which was that the United States is not a democracy. It is a republican democracy.

Republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive systems. 😐

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
If abortion continues, what will come next? Thats something I am more afraid of than accepted abortion. The acceptance of one thing once considered morally wrong, what will the next be? What path does that lead to I wonder.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
If abortion continues, what will come next? Thats something I am more afraid of than accepted abortion. The acceptance of one thing once considered morally wrong, what will the next be? What path does that lead to I wonder.

Abortion has been accepted for years, no moral revolution has happened. Also it's considered morally wrong in your eyes, I consider it to be fine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive systems. 😐

Nor are they mutually inclusive. In several cases, one can have a democracy with no elements of republican government. Conversely, a republic can be democratic, but it does not necessarily have to be. This is what I've been saying all along. I never made any absolute 'apple is an orange' type statement.

Originally posted by Ymir
Nor are they mutually inclusive. In several cases, one can have a democracy with no elements of republican government. Conversely, a republic can be democratic, but it does not necessarily have to be.

Originally posted by Ymir
I never said a republic is a democracy. I said a republic can be a form of democracy. You are trying to apply absolutes to my argument, and distort the initial argument which was that the United States is not a democracy. It is a republican democracy.

Dear God, read what I'am telling you. A Republic Synthesizes idea's from different types of Governments. A Democracy is power given to the majority. They conflict in the very sense of the word, but if you think I'm wrong please explain what makes America a Democracy?

Originally posted by Schecter
semantics tangents having nothing to do with the topic. what a failure

Originally posted by Schecter