Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, I wouldn't want my girlfriend to have an abortion if I want to keep the baby. Though, it is more her decision. I wouldn't say it absolutely has to, but men deserve a say in the matter aswell.
I don't think so. They might deserve some rights to refuse responsibility if the woman wants to get the baby...but whether it is aborted or not should be the decision of the person that has to have it in their body for 9 months and then press it out of a tiny, tiny hole
Noone should get to decide wether someone else lives or dies.
If someone does not want to live in poverty or whatever else crap excuse you've got shoved up your taint-hole they'll off themselves. They don't need you or anyone else deciding for them.
Abortion is not a right. It never was, it never will be. Just becase the law recognizes it as legal, does not make it a right, that makes it a privlage. A privlage that can be taken away.
If you want to have any shred of credibility as an equal rights advocate, then you would advocate a ban on abortions. Because abortion excsersizes privlages that men cannot carryout. Therefore it's unequal. And that's biggotry.
If you don't mind being a sexist pig, then by all means, continue what you're doing.
Originally posted by Captain KingNo actually you got it wrong. Abortion is something you can do or not do. Since the law says it is legal it is a right. If the law said it is illegal it would take a freedom away. It's certainly not a privilege.
Noone should get to decide wether someone else lives or dies.If someone does not want to live in poverty or whatever else crap excuse you've got shoved up your taint-hole they'll off themselves. They don't need you or anyone else deciding for them.
Abortion is not a right. It never was, it never will be. Just becase the law recognizes it as legal, does not make it a right, that makes it a privlage. A privlage that can be taken away.
If you want to have any shred of credibility as an equal rights advocate, then you would advocate a ban on abortions. Because abortion excsersizes privlages that men cannot carryout. Therefore it's unequal. And that's biggotry.
If you don't mind being a sexist pig, then by all means, continue what you're doing.
Also, men have the same right to get abortion. You can get an abortion whenever you want.
No it's not a right.
Is driving a right? No, you have to get a liscence. A liscence that can be taken away.
Rights do not exsist. Only privlages and who is willing to exscersize for or against those privlages. Just as the law stops me from killing everyone who looks at me cock-eyed. It should stop women from sucking thier babies out of a vacuum cleaner.
That sortof class sepratism has no place in a civil society. For that matter I might as well live in anarchy. Where women can kill thier babies by eating the purple berries.
It tastes like burning...
Originally posted by Captain King
No it's not a right.
I-it is a right though. By definition.
Originally posted by Captain King
Is driving a right? No, you have to get a liscence. A liscence that can be taken away.
Nope, driving is not a right. As you said, it is a privilege. But you need a licence to go driving, you do not for abortion...w-which is why it is a right.
Originally posted by Captain King
Rights do not exsist. Only privlages and who is willing to exscersize for or against those privlages. Just as the law stops me from killing everyone who looks at me cock-eyed. It should stop women from sucking thier babies out of a vacuum cleaner.
Actually, freedom exists, and a government taking away freedoms. That's what exists. The freedoms they let us they call "rights" the freedoms they give us under certain circumstances they call privileges.
And that's your opinion. I think you shouldn't be allowed to kill people and women should be allowed to get abortions.
Originally posted by Captain King
That sortof class sepratism has no place in a civil society. For that matter I might as well live in anarchy. Where women can kill thier babies by eating the purple berries.It tastes like burning...
It's not separating anyone. Everyone has the same right.
Exactly bardock you think I shouldn't be allowed to kill others but women should be allowed to have abortions.
So you and the government which you supposedly hate so much, are doing exactly that. Hindering my privlages, and excsersizing someone else'es.
Why should I not be allowed to kill others? Because you don't like it? Because the government doesn't like it? Because "the collective" doesn't it?
What's the damn differance between me killing random people and a woman getting an abortion?
Where's the essence of right vs privlage?
There is none. Either everyone has the right to commit homocide or nobody has the right.
What you're advocating is class-based sepratism of women are better then men because they have a vagina. That's it. You're a biggot. You don't mind women killing thier children because they have a vagina.
But a I can't kill random people (which on an ethical level is less raunchy sense I have no personal relationship with them) because I have a penis and you don't like it.
Originally posted by Captain King
Exactly bardock [b]you think I shouldn't be allowed to kill others but women should be allowed to have abortions.[/B]
Yes, that was my point.
Originally posted by Captain King
So [b]you and the government which you supposedly hate so much, are doing exactly that. Hindering my privlages, and excsersizing someone else'es.[/B]
No. I am not. The government is limiting your freedom, yes. You get something in return though the government limits other people's freedom to kill you. Abortion doesn't hurt anyone, and certainly no citizens. It is the best thing in the world really.
Originally posted by Captain King
Why should I not be allowed to kill others? Because you don't like it? Because the government doesn't like it? Because "the collective" doesn't it?
Yes, basically. Though I assume you agree that you don't want to be killed and you would like the government to save you in that case, don't you?
Originally posted by Captain King
What's the damn differance me killing random people and a woman getting an abortion?
No human being is harmed. No citizen is harmed. 100 of the people involved are allowed to live out their freedom. It is basically the same difference there is between you raping a little girl and someone eating a vegetarian taco.
Originally posted by Captain King
Where's the essence of right vs privlage?
Not sure what you mean. I just explained to you what the definitions are.
Originally posted by Captain King
There is none. Either everyone has the right to commit homocide or nobody has the right.
I agree.
Originally posted by Captain King
What you're advocating is class-based sepratism of women are better then men because they have a vagina. That's it. You're a biggot. You don't mind women killing thier children because they have a vagina.
Wrong. I allow every guy to get an abortion. Every single guy. I actually would go so far as to allow men to have abortion to the 12 months of their pregnancy, you are right, that is sexist, but well, men are better people and should have more abortion rights.
Originally posted by Captain King
But a I can't kill random people (which on an ethical level is less raunchy sense I have no personal relationship with them) because I have a penis and you don't like it.
Women are not allowed to kill people. Women and men have the same rights in that aspect.
A fetus is a human I hate to break it to you.
Read a biology book sometime. It might not be a "person", but that's your personal opinion. That's not fact.
The fact is the moment the sperm hits the egg, a human is conceived. A human being which apparently has no rights untill it's within six months of development.
The only real differance between a fetus and an infant is age. That's it.
Would it be less of a crime to kill a five year old then a fifteen year old? By your insane standards it would.
What you advocate is simaler to nazi eugenics. This aint a person but that is. One has rights that go so far as to kill others who have less or no rights.
That sortof ideology was supposed to be destroyed post-world war 2. Hitler may have died, but apparently the nazis won..
You might think fetuses are not people, but biologicaly they're human. Just like Hitler didn't think jews were people.
Frankly, it doesn't matter what you think. The fact is murder isn't a right.
Hopefuly sooner then later people will see that. And history will remember people like you as backward assholes just like how we remember people who supported slavery.
Originally posted by Captain King
A fetus is a human I hate to break it to you.
No, it is human cells, it is not a human being.
Originally posted by Captain King
Read a biology book sometime. It might not be a "person", but that's your personal opinion. That's not fact.
Nah, is a fact.
Originally posted by Captain King
The fact is the moment the sperm hits the egg, a human is conceived. A human being which apparently has no rights untill it's within six months of development.
No. It's still a bunch of human cells at the moment. It is not a human being.
Originally posted by Captain King
The only real differance between a fetus and an infant is age. That's it.
Well and consciousness, awareness, independence ...
Originally posted by Captain King
Would it be less of a crime to kill a five year old then a fifteen year old? By your insane standards it would.
No. By my insane standards it wouldn't be. But keep them coming.
Originally posted by Captain King
What you advocate is simaler to nazi eugenics. This aint a person but that is. One has rights that go so far as to kill others who have less or no rights.
Aha. I take it you realize you are talking bullshit.
Originally posted by Captain King
That sortof ideology was supposed to be destroyed post-world war 2. Hitler may have died, but apparently the nazis won..
Nonsensical rhetoric. Next.
Originally posted by Captain King
You might think fetuses are not people, but biologicaly they're human. Just like Hitler didn't think jews were people.
They are human like cancer cells are. Your point?
Originally posted by Captain King
Frankly, it doesn't matter what you think. The fact is murder isn't a right.
If I was you I wouldn't follow that line of thought, cause it is an instant win for my side. Cause the fact is that abortion isn't murder. The fact also is abortion is a right. So...yeah, maybe rethink that argument?
Originally posted by Captain King
Hopefuly sooner then later people will see that. And history will remember people like you as backward assholes just like how we remember people who supported slavery.
B-but history already sees people that are anti-abortion as backwards assholes...the decision which side is going to be the ****ers is made, man, and it's you guys.