Abortion

both the sperm and the egg are alive...

life begins long before conception, like 4.2 billion yearss

Originally posted by inimalist
both the sperm and the egg are alive...

life begins long before conception, like 4.2 billion yearss

I think he means "of the individual".

Originally posted by inimalist
both the sperm and the egg are alive...

life begins long before conception, like 4.2 billion yearss

Zing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Life begins at conception.

Not everyone believes this though, and who's definition of life are we using here?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Not everyone believes this though, and who's definition of life are we using here?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think he means "of the individual".

I don't think one can separate "the individual" from the cells which comprise them

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think one can separate "the individual" from the cells which comprise them

But you can separate the individual from his ancestors. I am not my great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather and our lives didn't begin at the same time.

I think there is a difference between life and consciousness.

We destroy life all the time. Bacteria is a form of life. Insects are a form of life.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I think there is a difference between life and consciousness.

We destroy life all the time. Bacteria is a form of life. Insects are a form of life.

Sperm and the Egg are, when separate still important but not AS important as a fetus growing in the womb. From the moment that the sperm penetrates the egg the baby is created, a human being is formed.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
My stance on that would be that it is born with those rights...I don't think you grow into getting them.

Then your stance would be "it" gains it's humanity at birth.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then your stance would be "it" gains it's humanity at birth.

It gains its humanity at conception, as it is human.

I call it it because I don't know its gender..."it" does not imply something is not human...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Exactly.

I think they issue is "human life", not bacteria or the fact that your kidney is living.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Sperm and the Egg are, when separate still important but not AS important as a fetus growing in the womb. From the moment that the sperm penetrates the egg the baby is created, a human being is formed.

A fetus is formed, anatomically it's not a human yet.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It gains its humanity at conception, as it is human.

I call it it because I don't know its gender..."it" does not imply something is not human...

You previously said "born", which is why I thought you implied that you think it's a human deserving the right to life at birth.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Sperm and the Egg are, when separate still important but not AS important as a fetus growing in the womb. From the moment that the sperm penetrates the egg the baby is created, a human being is formed.

Even if that is so, my argument for abortion is not based at all about the fetus being a life. It's based in sentience, self-consciousness and independence...or the lack thereof in the fetus.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think they issue is "human life", not bacteria or the fact that your kidney is living.

But "human life" is life with a conscious mind. A fetus does not posses this, so in a sense it is no more alive then bacteria or an insect.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Even if that is so, my argument for abortion is not based at all about the fetus being a life. It's based in sentience, self-consciousness and independence...or the lack thereof in the fetus.

Which was my point, as "life" does begins at conception. Cells start dividing and the process of creating a human beings. So it's an argument of when is it a human being deserving said rights.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which was my point, as "life" does begins at conception. Cells start dividing and the process of creating a human beings. So it's an argument of when is it a human being deserving said rights.

Meh, I might actually agree, but as you said, doesn't matter.

Yay... this is back... again...

Pregnancy medically begins at implantation to the fundus of the uterus. Because a sperm penetrating an egg doesn't guarantee that it will implant...

And when one says that "life" or "a life" begins at conception; my favorite question to ask is... is that before or after the male and female pronuclei fuse...?