Abortion

Started by Cinemaddiction787 pages
Originally posted by finti
its legal thus not murder

Hunting is legal too, does that not make hunters killers? Abortion is murder whatever way you look at it.

In my opinion, there is no way in justifying abortion. The only possible loophole would be rape, and in that case, adoption is still the logical choice because the only thing worse in that circumstance than being a rape victum, is being a rape victim and a murderer.

But, if you can carry that around all your life and still be happy, more power to you.

BTW, abortion is illegal if it's carried out by a mother unassisted. Not that mothers with fetuses run around aborting them left and right in broad day light. California is one place that is notorious for this loophole.

Doctor's having a hand in said practice make it legal, thus making them the murderer. Still, the mother was an accomplice to murder no matter how you view it.

And how may I ask is it not murder?You are ending another human being/How is that murder and still not againt the law?JM

Killing is not the equivalent to murder. You kill bacteria every time you use disinfectant. It isn't murder because the fetus is dependant on the mother for life, and is not a sentient being. If killing anything human is murder than I suppose that if someone is brain dead and on life support, and the family decides to pull the plug than they are all murderers? Somebody who is brain dead is dependant on a machine for life, and is also not sentient.

omg we have been over this a billion times with you JM...your not gonna change our opinions, your not going to make us think that abortion is murder, your not gonna stop us from going and having abortions if we are thinking about it. You just keep repeating yourself hoping everyone is gonna agree with you. Maybe we are wrong, maybe your the one wrong, who knows who cares. but if you dont think its right then fine dont go abort your baby when you get pregnant, but dont tell us that it is murder when the law and every dictionary in the world say it isnt.

sorry i went away for a bit but AC - condoms are 98% effective when they dont split i think the 85% (not 70% that was my mistake) accounts for them splitting and misuse and stuff.

Then maybe we should focus more on educating people on how to practise safe sex instead of exempting the father from his responsibilities.

Hunting is legal too, does that not make hunters killers? Abortion is murder whatever way you look at it.
murder only to those who watch this world wearing blinkers, for us who actually can think on our own behalf it aint murder

Doctor's having a hand in said practice make it legal, thus making them the murderer. Still, the mother was an accomplice to murder no matter how you view it.
agian just murder acording to you and the prolifers. The legal system of a load of countries doesnt consider it murder by law, and those laws are what we live by. Not the views of a conservative group of lunatics clinging to a book of fairytale to justify their ways.

Originally posted by finti
murder only to those who watch this world wearing blinkers, for us who actually can think on our own behalf it aint murder

agian just murder acording to you and the prolifers. The legal system of a load of countries doesnt consider it murder by law, and those laws are what we live by. Not the views of a conservative group of lunatics clinging to a book of fairytale to justify their ways.

I think you meant wearing blinders, and I appreciate the assinine assumption, but I am a free thinker. Of course, how could I forget that killing a living thing isn't murder. 😕

I'm not a "pro-lifer", I thank you again for speaking out of pure false assessment. In fact, if abortion is unassisted, without a licensed physician, it's murder in basically any country.

I knew I should have never entered this conversation, for the simple fact the majority of people have their heads up their asses, are too set in their own ways to listen to anyone else, or even consider that terminating the life of something with a heartbeat is indeed murder.

Likening ****ing bacteria to a human life should have told me to stop.

Carry on.

simply because it is NOT a living thing?? when you do abortion (under normal circumstances) it's just a bunch of CELLS 😕

you need to refresh your memory on the laws of most countries then, cause unassisted abortion is prohibited to protect the female that carries the baby.

funny, but you saying that most have their heads up their asses DOES work two ways, y'know... it's not the fault of those that are pro-abortion only or the other way around

I think you meant wearing blinders
actually I ment what I wrote but you can use blinders too, same thing

In fact, if abortion is unassisted, without a licensed physician, it's murder in basically any country.
well Im talking about abortion within the legal terms

knew I should have never entered this conversation, for the simple fact the majority of people have their heads up their asses, are too set in their own ways to listen to anyone else, or even consider that terminating the life of something with a heartbeat is indeed murder.
so everybody who doesnt see it your way have their head up their asses huh?

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Hunting is legal too, does that not make hunters killers? Abortion is murder whatever way you look at it.

In my opinion, there is no way in justifying abortion. The only possible loophole would be rape, and in that case, adoption is still the logical choice because the only thing worse in that circumstance than being a rape victum, is being a rape victim and a murderer.

But, if you can carry that around all your life and still be happy, more power to you.

I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. How does the argument go from here? Something like this, I take it. Every person has a right to life. So the fetus has a right to life. No doubt the mother has a right to decide what shall happen in and to her body; everyone would grant that. But surely a person's right to life is stronger and more stringent than the mother's right to decide what happens in and to her body, and so outweighs it. So the fetus may not be killed; an abortion may not be performed.

It sounds plausible. But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you—we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would be very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous, which suggests that something really is wrong with that plausible-sounding argument I mentioned a moment ago.

Yea pulling the plug when there is still hope for that person is murder.The same as abortion there is no difference with any of them.Do you have any proof that a fetus is not a living thing?JM

Even if the fetus could have been something there are about 150 more to replace it. And No, abortion is not murder.

Do you have any proof that a fetus is not a living thing?

havent you been paying attention? nobody disputes that a foetus is alive, we only dispute whether it is a human being...

havent you been paying attention? nobody disputes that a foetus is alive, we only dispute whether it is a human being
if it was a human being we wouldnt have called it fetus

exactly

yeah and now be quiet Im listening to Black Sabbath by duh................

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That is true but that does not mean that it is not a living thing.I mean it grows into a human.So how is it different when it is notheirng but a fetus?JM

It grows INTO a human, it is not A human