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Originally posted by h1a8 I think it might be since no other numbers are found for it's size. It's definitely not infinite since, "No leaving the battlefield." is a rule. There is no such distance from horizon to horizon on an infinite flat plane. There is only a horizon to horizon distance on a round planet (like Earth) where the ground isn't completely flat, but curved.

This debate doesn't require finding an interpretation of the rules that suits all possible matches. Per Parm's quote, the understanding of a standard battlefield is meant to be flexible to accommodate different matches and powers. It is not some sort of static .5 km or 3 mile wide sphere just so that a character like Sentry becomes awkwardly contained.

Originally posted by h1a8

Corrected

Perceptions is based off TIME, not speed alone. Time is the quotient of distance and speed. For example, human perceptions can navigate ftl speed in space where distances are large (aka time is large)
But humans cant navigate around a skyscraper, while staying within 10 feet from it, at ftl speed, and neither can Sentry.

But, he's flying in a continous loop around a .5 kilometer battleground. That should be enough space for him to perceive and his perception isn't like a normal human it should be greater.

Originally posted by Classic NES
But, he's flying in a continous loop around a .5 kilometer battleground. That should be enough space for him to perceive and his perception isn't like a normal human it should be greater.

Originally posted by Smurph
Not in this match. BFR is off, and irrelevant.

This debate doesn't require finding an interpretation of the rules that suits all possible matches. Per Parm's quote, the understanding of a standard battlefield is meant to be flexible to accommodate different matches and powers. It is not some sort of static .5 km or 3 mile wide sphere just so that a character like Sentry becomes awkwardly contained.

Characters can't leave the battlefield. That implies a certain size.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't perceive with that tight of a circle. He has millisecond or a fraction of a millisecond reactions at best. That's not enough.

What kinda of reaction time would he need to accomplish it?

Originally posted by Classic NES
What kinda of reaction time would he need to accomplish it?

Assuming radius = 0.5km
Circumference of circle = 2 x pi x radius = 2 x 3.14 x 0.5km = 3.14 km
Assuming light speed
Time to make a rotation is t = 3.14km/(30000km/s) = 0.00001s
This is below Sentrys reaction time.

Assuming Sentrys reaction time is t = 0.0005s
Then the radius he can navigate to reach light speed = 0.0005 x 30,000/(2 x 3.14) = 2.4km

So each multiple of the speed of light is multiplied by 2.4km.

Originally posted by h1a8

Characters can't leave the battlefield. That implies a certain size.

Characters can't leave an infinite battlefield either.

Originally posted by h1a8
The mods made a mistake. A completely flat surface has no horizon.
You need curvature to create a horizon. On Earth, the horizon to horizon distance is approximately 3miles long. That's because the Earth's curvature.
So a modification of the rule is in order. My suggestion is horizon to horizon on an indestructible Earth shaped sphere, which would make it approximately 3 miles long.

Corrected

Perceptions is based off TIME, not speed alone. Time is the quotient of distance and speed. For example, human perceptions can navigate ftl speed in space where distances are large (aka time is large)
But humans cant navigate around a skyscraper, while staying within 10 feet from it, at ftl speed, and neither can Sentry.

I always thought it was 0.5km long.
It has to be some size. What do you suggest? Maybe a mod ruling?
I think mods made a mistake in saying horizon to horizon on a flat plane (both concepts contradict the other).

We can say an Earth like indestructible sphere from horizon to horizon (3 miles long). Would you agree to that?

It's not just 5km (or 3 miles). That distance is from the perspective of an average person.

So if the stipulation is horizon to horizon, that's actually 10km.

Plenty of space to move around, even by your self-imposed limitations. Which are off for the purposes of this match.

Edit: a sidenote: horizons don't =/= spheres. You can have horizons with an infinitely flat plain, the mods made no mistake. You have Google, use it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not just 5km (or 3 miles). That distance is from the perspective of an average person.

So if the stipulation is horizon to horizon, that's actually [b]10km.

Plenty of space to move around, even by your self-imposed limitations. Which are off for the purposes of this match.

Edit: a sidenote: horizons don't =/= spheres. You can have horizons with an infinitely flat plain, the mods made no mistake. You have Google, use it. [/B]

The distance from horizon to horizon is 3mi, not 6mi. 2 people standing 3mi away they will see each other at the edge of their respective horizon. 2 consecutive horizons.

If those same people stood 6 mi apart then they wouldn't see each other. They are effectively removed from battlefield (out of line of sight). "NO Leaving the battlefield" is a rule

Originally posted by Smurph
No, it doesn't.

Characters can't leave an infinite battlefield either.

If the mods (through a rule) prevent characters from leaving the battlefield then that means the mods understand there is a limit to how far the characters can go from each other. That's common sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
You cant have horizons on infinite planes. Google is wrong. A horizon is created by the curvature of the Earth. Science 101.

The distance from horizon to horizon is 3mi, not 6mi. 2 people standing 3mi away they will see each other at the edge of their respective horizon. 2 consecutive horizons.

If those same people stood 6 mi apart then they wouldn't see each other. They are effectively removed from battlefield (out of line of sight). "NO Leaving the battlefield" is a rule

Wrong!

Originally posted by h1a8
If the mods (through a rule) prevent characters from leaving the battlefield then that means the mods understand there is a limit to how far the characters can go from each other. That's common sense.

There isn't a rule governing how BFR off works. So also wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
If the mods (through a rule) prevent characters from leaving the battlefield then that means the mods understand there is a limit to how far the characters can go from each other. That's common sense.

What more do you need?

To be clear, you're saying that the battlefield is inherently limited by an irrelevant rule, even though the battlefield inherently morphs to all rules and powersets.

Is it this hard to just say "ok I was wrong"?

Originally posted by h1a8
If the mods (through a rule) prevent characters from leaving the battlefield then that means the mods understand there is a limit to how far the characters can go from each other. That's common sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
You cant have horizons on infinite planes. Google is wrong. A horizon is created by the curvature of the Earth. Science 101.

The distance from horizon to horizon is 3mi, not 6mi. 2 people standing 3mi away they will see each other at the edge of their respective horizon. 2 consecutive horizons.

If those same people stood 6 mi apart then they wouldn't see each other. They are effectively removed from battlefield (out of line of sight). "NO Leaving the battlefield" is a rule

This is flat out incorrect

Originally posted by h1a8

Sentry needs hundreds of miles to achieve ftl speed from the Thor feat and possibly less from the gun feat (I can calculate if you like [/B]

The only reason H1Z1 can often make such claims in discussions, is because most Marvel writers don't cosplay as bird mothers and pre-chew the food information for him and vomit it into his mouth.

Why would you limit Sentry to needing hundreds of miles to enter the speed of light? If he needs that speed, he will access it immediately - almost like pretty much every other cosmic character.

Here is what Matt Fraction had in his mind, when he wrote the scene where Sentry beat the crap out of Namor – and Emma Frost and Professor X helped Sentry gather his thoughts for a brief moment:

CBR: What exactly happens with the Sentry and the Void in this scene?

Matt Fraction: Scott and Emma knew they couldn't beat the Sentry, so they had to distract the Void and for a split second Emma does just that. She keeps it within herself long enough for Bob Reynolds to snap to, realize what's happening, and flee. [b]All they needed to do was to buy that half-a-second for the Sentry to take off and he flies into space as fast as he can. He realizes the best thing he can do is get off the battlefield. He goes off at the speed of light[b] and the Void rushes after him to reconnect so they can be whole again.

Also Thor was traveling billions of lightyears in a relative short amount of time – with galaxies passing by in a blur. And he was completely fine:
https://i.imgur.com/m40UkVj.jpg

Yet when DS Sentry dragged Thor at his speed and velocity, Thor had no idea what was going on. Replace Thor with Silver Surfer and you have the same scene, since Mjolnir has outraced Silver Surfer. I'd strongly argue that Mjolnir is faster.

I'm willing to entertain the idea of Saitama surpassing Sentrys upper levels of power, because that's what he is supposed to do as a character. But we seriously have jokers in this thread, who think that even Cosmic Fear Garou would make it pretty far in the list. He wouldn't.

The portrayal of speed in anime has fried some peoples brains, when it comes to unbiased debating.
Speed in anime is animated and drawn well and it looks like a lot of stuff is happening at once, but as soon as you are confronted with facts and numbers everything starts falling apart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kIXyNt_yvc

There Whis makes fun of Goku and Vegeta for having to think before they attack. And even if you want to make the argument that they can move their limbs at the speed of light, they are still limited to the speed of thought to initiate their attack. That's where Ultra Instinct comes in and provides an upgrade.
But in the time it takes someone like Goku to think, a Gladiator / Superman / Flash / Sentry has punched a hole through his chest.

Originally posted by h1a8
You keep asking the same question over and over. No one knows why they didn't think of something. No one here is going to sit there and think about that tactic. I been here since 2005 and no one has offered flying in a circle to build up speed as a tactic in a CIS off fight. It's not a deduction.

In that way, even though Character Induced Stupidity (CIS) is off, the H1 Induced Stupidity (HIS) is active, and I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't make that deduction.

I see you said that he needs 2.4 km [and more, depending on the speed] to achieve [FT]L status. Nice. So he can.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If only there were other ways to leave...

I believe we've had a discussion with mods on that specific topic.

H1 is essentially saying that it takes much higher reflexes to move at relativistic or beyond speeds in shorter distances. So, Sentry would need reflex feats that put him at that level. I'm not a Sentry expert, but does anyone have any feats that clocks him up there?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm asking similar questions because, even though you [Sentry] would want to hit as hard as you can using flight, instead of making the simple deduction that you'd need to fly as fast as possible [thereby reducing the possibility of a failed initial attack] - you choose not to, and constrain yourself to a straight 500m line where you cannot hit as hard as you can.

In that way, even though Character Induced Stupidity ([b]CIS) is off, the H1 Induced Stupidity (HIS) is active, and I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't make that deduction.

I see you said that he needs 2.4 km [and more, depending on the speed] to achieve [FT]L status. Nice. So he can.

Ha!

I believe we've had a discussion with mods on that specific topic. [/B]

It was also (why is it I'm always involved??) around characters like Nightcrawler and Zoom, because he's in a different timeline and Kurt teleports via another realm.