Firestorm vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Philosophía
Check out Cable and Deadpool #10 for the full issue. I also had the same problem, weirdly enough.

Anyhow, so they pass through the Providence vaporizing everything around them with a pretty big radius from what's seen, then they use their matter manipulation to put it back together. Since abhi is caught up in semantics this doesn't seem to go anywhere, and Galan doesn't care about Firestorm anymore, I figured I'd post something here, too.

[shared feat, to keep the pattern for the lols] Firestorm [& Captain Atom] stops a large bomb after it's detonated by thinking fast and transmutates the energy/blast radius to save people caught in it

What do you think?

Nice 👆

Similarly a large-scale, on-the-fly, matter + energy manip feat - but I think it demonstrates the difference in speed between the two characters. Captain Atom and FS worked together to contain the blast area to the swamp, saving Atom's friends who were seemingly just outside the swamp (per the dialogue on the first and last page).

Cable and SS actually destroyed buildings and ships with people inside them and instantly reversed the damage leaving no casualties. And, they did it while fighting each other, so presumably pretty distracted.

Finally, FS notes that he had to think fast to turn the explosion into snow. In comparison, SS didn't just reflexively think of a random object to turn the explosions into, but instead (working with Cable) put the fleet and buildings back together again at an atomic level (per Cable's dialogue).

They're similar enough feats for comparison's sake, but SS's implies a much higher degree of super speed, imo

Originally posted by Smurph
Nice 👆

Similarly a large-scale, on-the-fly, matter + energy manip feat - but I think it demonstrates the difference in speed between the two characters. Captain Atom and FS worked together to contain the blast area to the swamp, saving Atom's friends who were seemingly just outside the swamp (per the dialogue on the first and last page).

Cable and SS actually destroyed buildings and ships with people inside them and instantly reversed the damage leaving no casualties. And, they did it while fighting each other, so presumably pretty distracted.

Finally, FS notes that he had to think fast to turn the explosion into snow. In comparison, SS didn't just reflexively think of a random object to turn the explosions into, but instead (working with Cable) put the fleet and buildings back together again at an atomic level (per Cable's dialogue).

They're similar enough feats for comparison's sake, but SS's implies a much higher degree of super speed, imo

Originally posted by Smurph
Nice 👆

Similarly a large-scale, on-the-fly, matter + energy manip feat - but I think it demonstrates the difference in speed between the two characters. Captain Atom and FS worked together to contain the blast area to the swamp, saving Atom's friends who were seemingly just outside the swamp (per the dialogue on the first and last page).

Cable and SS actually destroyed buildings and ships with people inside them and instantly reversed the damage leaving no casualties. And, they did it while fighting each other, so presumably pretty distracted.

Finally, FS notes that he had to think fast to turn the explosion into snow. In comparison, SS didn't just reflexively think of a random object to turn the explosions into, but instead (working with Cable) put the fleet and buildings back together again at an atomic level (per Cable's dialogue).

They're similar enough feats for comparison's sake, but SS's implies a much higher degree of super speed, imo

It's the image of Surfer and Cable going through the ship that sways me. Except for the explosion, it looks as though they phase through the thing. So the "sundering it at the atomic level and putting it back together again" happens all at the same time in that one panel /shrug

Explosion to water or every cell, organelle, and associated chemicals put back exactly as they were...

Originally posted by Smurph
It's the image of Surfer and Cable going through the ship that sways me. Except for the explosion, it looks as though they phase through the thing. So the "sundering it at the atomic level and putting it back together again" happens all at the same time in that one panel /shrug

It's actually really interesting to compare their matter manipulation abilities [in general]. Firestorm has more blunt matter manipulation [i.e. turn A to B, with seemingly no limit] while Surfer has more expertise [i.e. turn A to XYZQT, i.e. he can do more, though it could not matter in a fight, if it's about bluntness]. Helps that one has cosmic awareness while the other is based, many times, on high school chemistry classes.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's hard to tell, I'd lean towards them going through it, trashing it as debris explodes [we can see the pilots turning towards it, running etc], and then it being 'reversed' as they put the pieces back. Either way, I don't think this is a quickdraw or anything, even if I think Firestorm would be first - I just wanted to put something for Firestorm here, since....well, yeah. That type of thread.

It's actually really interesting to compare their matter manipulation abilities [in general]. Firestorm has more blunt matter manipulation [i.e. turn A to B, with seemingly no limit] while Surfer has more expertise [i.e. turn A to XYZQT, i.e. he can do more, though it could not matter in a fight, if it's about bluntness]. Helps that one has cosmic awareness while the other is based, many times, on high school chemistry classes.

Agree with Phil. CA makes surfer more verse in higher end matter manipulation which FS lacks.

Like this for example.

Fusing 2 giants stars together and his contribution Is cosmic awareness.

The question how fast do u think this took place?

Surfer ft is more impressive

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah 1 is X yhe other is 30 trillion cells per person put back to function as they were before being torn apart. This is matter manipulation as reality warping 8n honesty

Firestorm has recreated a person from glass by using matter manipulation and wanting it really hard:

Poof. Magic.

Where something like cosmic awareness helps is in, for example, receiving the knowledge regarding the problem/issue at hand, and then you just will it into existence using matter manipulation. Its usefulness in matches like this is dubious [and also needs to be feat-based], but it's a cool thing to have for general comic book-y situations.

Surfer gets turned into salt. 😖hifty:

In the vein of what Smurph is trying to argue, Firestorm did that with prep and, as Philosophía points out, with concentration. Firestorm couldn't do it with those who were shattered in their glass forms while distracted by Pozhar.

Surfer and God Cable were reassembling lord knows how many atomized victims while actively fighting each other.

But I don't consider it reality warping either. Just matter manipulation that approaches reality warping/magic.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
FS is FTL and can react at those speeds.

"trying to argue"

ODG has some notes for me to work on

^ Not what I meant at all, but...

jockey

Originally posted by Ambient
Agree with Phil. CA makes surfer more verse in higher end matter manipulation which FS lacks.

Like this for example.

Fusing 2 giants stars together and his contribution Is cosmic awareness.

The question how fast do u think this took place?

Originally posted by Ambient

Not that Smurph needs any help but I have that comics handy in my comp.

You going to ignore that too Abhi?

Originally posted by Smurph
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and the word "vaporizing" is in the first scan that I posted.

Just read the words on the page, Abhi.

Originally posted by Smurph
In case it's blurry for Abhi, the dialogue says:

"Location?"

"Flying over--no, wait--flying [b]through Providence"

"Casualties?"

"None."

"How--all that power they're spitting out--?"

"I--well, it seems--they're vaporizing everything around them, sir--and putting it back together again at the same time!"

Emphasis in original. So, like I've been saying... they were vaporizing a populated island and instantaneously reversing the explosions and damage, as if it never happened. Then they did the same thing to the US pacific fleet. [/B]

I mean come on, I never said that they didn't do damage, just your insistence that the island was vaporized and reconstituted when it was apparently "tore apart".

I used the word vaporize because I posted a scan that used the word vaporize.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ronan is better matter manipulator than Surfer because its his matter manipulation that fuses the suns.

When then both are better matter manipulators than Firestorm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ronan is better matter manipulator than Surfer because its his matter manipulation that fuses the suns.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently "tore apart" the island and "vaporising" are the same thing now.

I mean come on, I never said that they didn't do damage, just your insistence that the island was vaporized and reconstituted when it was apparently "tore apart".

They where vaporized