Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The last part is vastly overlooked.The thread has Ronnie and Jason as a composite. No Martin Stein, no Gehenna. We're essentially dealing with a Carver High School alumnus here.
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Though the 'poof, it's magic' aspect of matter manipulation bypasses knowledge most of the time and if they want visualize something hard enough it happens -- but there's certainly an implicit difference in versatility when the universe essentially gives you the knowledge of how certain things work and you then will them to work like you're told.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think this is a better comparison between both
Surfer vs Molecule Man.
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Molecule Man vs Firestorm.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also Surfer couldn't even reform a chasm in Rocky mountains.*snip*
Surfer has been shown to have limits regarding matter manipulation, Firestorm has never been shown with a limit.
He certainly has limits, and they've been shown time and time again, regarding both power usage and versatility usage. There's some things that are beyond him. I mean, he can heal people's injuries [here it takes a while, but sometimes it's faster] but he cannot bring them back after they're deadly damaged:
etc. [lots of various examples here, pertaining to all sorts of limits, of course]
But I don't think it's a matter of whether or not one can beat the other -- they both have various options, it's a matter of what they'd each do, when, then how they'd react to what the other does, etc.
Options can, of course, be analyzed in a vacuum. Since you brought up Molecule Man, he was quickly using up power transmutating dirt and then was drained to near death by being immersed in it with stopped molecular movement:
Which is exactly what Firestorm has already done, to Killer Frost -- drain her by surrounding her in stopped molecular movement:
Given Surfer's history, pushing him until he runs out of power, or directly draining him could be a tactic Firestorm uses. Direct transmutation is tricky -- you'd have to go into the properties of Surfer's skin and stuff [it'd be a long discussion].
I'd give Surfer a slight majority due to parity on most abilities [imo, Firestorm is faster and more potent in the raw matter manipulation abilities, while Surfer is considerably more skilled/experienced and versatile in its applications]. The board could also be useful as a second combatant, assuming they nullify each other's energy abilities. It can be countered with phasing, of course, on Firestorm's part. Or destroyed but, then, it can also be reformed. It's a ***-for-tat since they're the Spiderman meme, is what I'm essentially getting at at, and I think Surfer's experience with his powers trumps Firestorm's young hosts.
Firestorm is a frat boy in a Ferrari, while Surfer is a good driver in a BMW, imo.
