See, I think CIS off, full capacity still has their characters intact.
For example, say Flash Vs Thor. It is fully within his capacity to run over to Thor and literally bite his face off and start eating chunks of his head in front of Thor, at super speed.
Is it CIS off? Yes.
Is it full capacity? Yes.
Is it in character? Hells no!
Now, if you then turn character off, sure. But character is still on. Wally won't fight like a bloodthirsty zombie, even though it's well within his power set to do so.
There needs to be some leeway, though. We've never seen Superman lift a 100 ton pencil in a comic but that doesn't mean he can't.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See, I think CIS off, full capacity still has their characters intact.For example, say Flash Vs Thor. It is fully within his capacity to run over to Thor and literally bite his face off and start eating chunks of his head in front of Thor, at super speed.
Is it CIS off? Yes.
Is it full capacity? Yes.
Is it in character? Hells no!
Now, if you then turn character off, sure. But character is still on. Wally won't fight like a bloodthirsty zombie, even though it's well within his power set to do so.
There needs to be some leeway, though. We've never seen Superman lift a 100 ton pencil in a comic but that doesn't mean he can't.
I agree but that's an easy example because nobody's arguing that Flash will start chomping.
The tension occurs when an optimal strategy (full capacity) isn't supported by showings (in character).
Originally posted by Smurph
I agree but that's an easy example because nobody's arguing that Flash will start chomping.The tension occurs when an optimal strategy (full capacity) isn't supported by showings (in character).
Depends what you think their character is like.
Would Flash attempt to headbutt someone at lightspeed? We have no comics to suggest he has ever done so, but it's not out of the realms of possibility to say he would.
Would he bite his opponent's nose off at lightspeed? Also no comics to suggest so, but in character, he's more likely (like, 99%) to attempt headbutting, if he's trapped in a bear hug against a strong opponent. Or he could try a speed steal lol.
Stoic is talking about using his board to slice a teenage kid up. I argue that's out of character, CIS or no. Just as Superman won't attempt a nut shot, or WW won't attempt to castrate her opponent with her sword, or Batman won't shove C4 in his opponent's mouth, or .....you get the point.
Originally posted by MrMindI don't think there's consensus here on KMC that is what is meant by "CIS off." But it's your thread. So maybe ask the mods permission to edit the OP and turn this into a forum avatar battle that disregards these character's personalities entirely and is only about their powersets.
i was under the assumption character is off when cis is offwe are purely debating power sets, power levels
Which is a little weird.. given that you identified which of Firestorm's personalities are manifesting here.
I thought when CIS is off characters is just bloodlusted, willing to do everything his/ her been shown to do in comics. Ie. if his been shown to speed blitz at least once, that’s game and can be used right away at the set go but character persona still intact; if it’s within his power set to erased someone out of existence but are not willing and has not been shown to or his done so but only when say his universe dies, that’s his characteristic and only applies when conditions are meet.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Except he was inside the reality because Eternity asks Never Queen to not come in the plane of reality and that's where Surfer was. /B]
And when Surfer put himself back to reality, she wanted to follow because she wanted to know more of his possibilities that’s when Eternity stop her.
Everything is right there Abhi.
Originally posted by MrMind
i was under the assumption character is off when cis is offwe are purely debating power sets, power levels
Not the way I understand CIS
Character
Induced
Stupidity
Is off when CIS is off.
So it still means a character acts how they act but that they don't stupidly ignore or not use powers that are available to them because of it.
To put it another way, I wouldn't expect Superman to go for a kill with CIS off, I just wouldn't expect him to let something hit him that he ca casually dodge.
In for example the case of this thread if another condition isn't blood listed then I wouldn't expect either character to go straight to a kill move, it's not how either rolls.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Eternity straight up says she can't be on this plane of reality.
Learn to read.
“ so I shifted out of phase with existence it self. “
and here AGAIN!
“Until I could reach my original point in time, I would have to remain silent, unseen and apart from reality.”
How about you read that and stop grasping at straws.
The scan you posted is when after Surfer materialized back into reality and Never Queen followed him, then Eternity showed up because he sense her in reality which she should not be.
Surfer phase’d outside of reality period! Live with it and stop your lowball nonsense.
Your basically trolling now! Stop being and idiot!
Originally posted by Ambient
The length you’d go through to lowball a characters feat is downright stupid and not to mention plain idiotic for you to comment “learn to read” . the very evidence presented at you (so many times) by me entails a narration to the evidence of my point. It says so right on the scan,“ so I shifted out of phase with existence it self. “
and here AGAIN!
“Until I could reach my original point in time, I would have to remain silent, unseen and apart from reality.”
How about you read that and stop grasping at straws.
The scan you posted is when after Surfer materialized back into reality and Never Queen followed him, then Eternity showed up because he sense her in reality which she should not be.
Surfer phase’d outside of reality period! Live with it and stop your lowball nonsense.
Your basically trolling now! Stop being and idiot!
Not sure why you're arguing about phasing as a particular great feat either.
Originally posted by Galan007
Firestorm alters his atomic make-up to zero… Not even deadly gases affect him in this state:He can phase through the ground:
Your up to your usual trick again Abhi, intentionally leaving out details.
This
“Once again I may rejoin the universe as my true self.”
That happens before the image you post, the scan when Never Queen followed Surfer and Eternity intervened because, as the embodiment of possibilities she is not supposed to be present in current continuity in reality. Get your story right and stop intentionally presenting misinformed information to prove an argument Thats just poor taste!
Phasing outside if reality for Eons is an Uber feat in regards to matter manipulation and it allowed his presence to not be known by the omniscient Eternity. Live with it! Stop lowballing it!
Again your basically just trolling now and making a fool of yourself …
I’m out! ✌️
Originally posted by leonidasnice to see you Leo! 🙂
things are good phil--at least i can't complain. 😂and w t ACTUAL f?!! AMBIENT and ODG?? it's enough to bring a tear to my eye. for the love of abhi's love of superman there's an ACTUAL REASONABLE DEBATE HAPPENING IN THIS THREAD!! lolol
this brings me back. thanks guys. 😍
Originally posted by Ambient
Your up to your usual trick again Abhi, intentionally leaving out details.This
“Once again I may rejoin the universe as my true self.”
That happens before the image you post, the scan when Never Queen followed Surfer and Eternity intervened because, as the embodiment of possibilities she is not supposed to be present in current continuity in reality. Get your story right and stop intentionally presenting misinformed information to prove an argument Thats just poor taste!
Phasing outside if reality for Eons is an Uber feat in regards to matter manipulation and it allowed his presence to not be known by the omniscient Eternity. Live with it! Stop lowballing it!
Again your basically just trolling now and making a fool of yourself …
I’m out! ✌️
Phasing is phasing, it's not like he did some ultra phasing there. You're dumb as always.
