The case being used can not be ignored, but it is entirely different than the effect that Shazam may have on Hyperion. Gee that’s a lot like throwing a guy in jail while lacking the evidence to place him there. Happened a lot in history.lmao what the ****
Smurph: Stoic, these arguments about comic books don't make sense
Stoic: dictator! kangaroo court! due process and human rights!
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The comic literally has him hurt by Shazam's magic and spells.
Guess who didn’t do their homework. Writers mess shit up all of the time until one steps in and sets everyone straight. As far as I know, Superboy Prime is highly resistant to magic, if not immune, although making the claim that he is fully immune to magic is a no limits projection, but I agree fully that he is extremely resistant to it.
Because that scene contradicts his resistance to magic, it would be something that you would want to see more than once, because it could have easily have been writers error..
The effect that Shazam would have on Hyperion can not be proven either way.
If, he has no magical immunity, and Shazam punches a hole in him, then it is obvious that Shazam wins. I chose not to subscribe to that possibility for the reasons that I stated, which imo seems more probable to the way that they would portray it in a comic.
Both of them are average fighters and powerless would like get the shit beaten out of them by a trained Navy Seal. It really doesn’t matter who wins, it I just don’t agree with the idea of people seeing Hyperion as if he had a magic allergy, cause evidence suggests that he doesn’t. If he did, that would mean that he has a weakness to it instead of it being that he is vulnerable to it. He is allergic to Argonite according to canon.
The Hulk, Wonder Man, the Surfer, Gladiator, Count Nefaria, Captain America, Galactus, and many others are vulnerable to magic as well.
That was all that I was saying and the reasons behind it.
Ok, I admit now I can't understand Stoic your logic, I really tried.
I mean, Superman, who is vulnerable to magic, got knocked out by Shazam with a few punches was specifically attributed to magic
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok. So let's walk this through.SBP is highly resistant/resistant to magic.
Shazam is powerful enough to hurt him with magic.
Hyperion is vulnerable/not resistant to magic.
What do you think happens if he gets hit with the level of magic that hit SBp?
Has Shazam been proven to be that powerful where magic is concerned? Mordru is pretty powerful, so that may have been a low showing for Superboy Prime. Best to see how it plays out in the future, if that is even possible.
Black Adam hit him, and, well the opposite happened. Something doesn’t quite fit, so that evidence is a questionable.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, I admit now I can't understand Stoic your logic, I really tried.I mean, Superman, who is vulnerable to magic, got knocked out by Shazam with a few punches was specifically attributed to magic
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https://ibb.co/FmHJsJD
Have you ever seen a fight between those two where the table was turned? Has there been a time that Superman has come out on top?
Pretending to not understand with words is very different than not being able to understand me. Well, I’ve written why, if you did not understand what I wrote the first time, you could read it again.
Are you saying that without a doubt, that if Shazam hit Hyperion that he would turn his powers off? Answer Yes, or No.
Did they nerf Superboy Prime, but then what about his battle with DK? Was DK on Shazam’s level of power? Could he solo Mordru? Toss the Anti Monitor around? But the ultimate question here, is does Shazam shit all over Perpetua? I mean, he hurt Superboy Prime, who up until that startling moment, was thought to be able to laugh off a magical attack from Teth, who up until not sure, thought that he was roughly comparable to Shazam.
So many things to overlook, while looking at everything other than what has been shown mostly. One showing, and it tilts the bucket? Really?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, I admit now I can't understand Stoic your logic, I really tried.I mean, Superman, who is vulnerable to magic, got knocked out by Shazam with a few punches was specifically attributed to magic
https://ibb.co/hB87jRC
https://ibb.co/0tdLC00
https://ibb.co/FmHJsJD
A sucker punch? C’mon man. No wonder you have difficulty understanding what I wrote.
Are you saying that without a doubt, that if Shazam hit Hyperion that he would turn his powers off? Answer Yes, or No.
A sucker punch? C’mon man. No wonder you have difficulty understanding what I wrote.
I didn't say that though. The point is magic(or more accurely, Shazam's magic punches) does affect and hold advantage over someone who is vulnerable to it, which was illustrated in multiple occassions
Originally posted by Stoic
Has Shazam been proven to be that powerful where magic is concerned? Mordru is pretty powerful, so that may have been a low showing for Superboy Prime. Best to see how it plays out in the future, if that is even possible.Black Adam hit him, and, well the opposite happened. Something doesn’t quite fit, so that evidence is a questionable.
Have you ever seen a fight between those two where the table was turned? Has there been a time that Superman has come out on top?
Pretending to not understand with words is very different than not being able to understand me. Well, I’ve written why, if you did not understand what I wrote the first time, you could read it again.
Are you saying that without a doubt, that if Shazam hit Hyperion that he would turn his powers off? Answer Yes, or No.
Did they nerf Superboy Prime, but then what about his battle with DK? Was DK on Shazam’s level of power? Could he solo Mordru? Toss the Anti Monitor around? But the ultimate question here, is does Shazam shit all over Perpetua? I mean, he hurt Superboy Prime, who up until that startling moment, was thought to be able to laugh off a magical attack from Teth, who up until not sure, thought that he was roughly comparable to Shazam.
So many things to overlook, while looking at everything other than what has been shown mostly. One showing, and it tilts the bucket? Really?
Shazam lightning is one of the most powerful attacks, so yes.
NOBODY HERE SAID HE'S TURNING POWERS OFF WITH PUNCHES.
Seems like you're the one ignoring things here, bud
Spellcasting in battle, and also against SBP. Also showcasing his speed, where he was able to avoid SBP when he was trying to speedblitz (then got tagged when trying to talk to him):
Then, together with BA, he oneshots SBP.
A low showing for SBP? Sure. That doesn't take anything away from Shazam, though.
NOBODY SAID HE IS TURNING POWERS OFF WITH HIS PUNCHES.
Stoic with the strawman, again. I mean, using King Hyperion because 'Hyperion is Hyperion'? Idiotic. I might as well use this:
And Superman is Superman, right? Shazam is Shazam. One Shazam bolt - just one - brought him to his knees. And we all know Superman is top dog, as Stoic would say.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Spellcasting in battle, and also against SBP. Also showcasing his speed, where he was able to avoid SBP when he was trying to speedblitz (then got tagged when trying to talk to him):Then, together with BA, he oneshots SBP.
A low showing for SBP? Sure. That doesn't take anything away from Shazam, though.
NOBODY SAID HE IS TURNING POWERS OFF WITH HIS PUNCHES.
Stoic with the strawman, again. I mean, using King Hyperion because 'Hyperion is Hyperion'? Idiotic. I might as well use this:
And Superman is Superman, right? Shazam is Shazam. One Shazam bolt - just one - brought him to his knees. And we all know Superman is top dog, as Stoic would say.
Cool but I want the one that Superman is begging Billy to come to his senses.
I don’t like to deal in absolutes. Billy may win, it may be easy, or it may not be easy, and he may lose. Hyperion would definitely be hurt by the Shazam lightning strike, it goes without saying, but the Silver Surfer would be stunned by it as well. Many characters actually would be.
You believe that Shazam wins here. Cool.
I never said that Hyperion wouldn’t be hurt either, I just don’t believe that it would be a one shot, nor do I believe that Billy’s powers would work in any other way than they have in the past.
Hyperion survived quite the explosion to make it to the 616. Don’t blame me if I have trouble believing that a Shazam lightning strike would one shot him. Hurt him yes, one shot?
Why would a serious Superman's durability go up?
My point is that it hurt him. Pretty badly. Begging Billy to come to his senses won't affect his durability.
If I beg Mike Tyson to snap out of a coke filled rampage, does my durability lessen compared to if I was fighting him seriously? No, I'm still getting punched out. Doesn't matter if I'm begging him to snap out of it, or if we're in an official boxing match for the heavyweight title.
Glad to see you didn't even look at the other scans. Billy can just shrink himself and go to town inside Hyperion's head. Magical lightning in Hype's brain is no joke.
As far as the SBP vs Shazam bros it was plot (some caveats) to that fight.
Exhibit A: BA punches do absolutely nothing to SBP pre flash point. SBP was fully powered here.
Exhibit B: SBP has been trapped in the monster land with a red sun depowering him for a long while.
Exhibit C: BA was able to rock the shit out of SBP (totally different result in the punch) after SBP became untrapped.
Conclusion: SBP wasn't at full power when he fought the two. He was in the process of gaining back his full power.
Exhibit D: It took both to ko a weakened SBP.
Conclusion:
That means 1 wouldn't have (writer's intent). And 2 wouldn't have against a fully powered SBP. Also SBP was just koed. He had no visible damage. There are different levels of damage with disintegration being the highest.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85When has Billy ever "shrinked himself"?
Why would a serious Superman's durability go up?My point is that it hurt him. Pretty badly. Begging Billy to come to his senses won't affect his durability.
If I beg Mike Tyson to snap out of a coke filled rampage, does my durability lessen compared to if I was fighting him seriously? No, I'm still getting punched out. Doesn't matter if I'm begging him to snap out of it, or if we're in an official boxing match for the heavyweight title.
Glad to see you didn't even look at the other scans. Billy can just shrink himself and go to town inside Hyperion's head. Magical lightning in Hype's brain is no joke.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I didn't say that though. The point is magic(or more accurely, Shazam's magic punches) does affect and hold advantage over someone who is vulnerable to it, which was illustrated in multiple occassions
So then, it is as I speculated. Shazam’s punches against anyone who is vulnerable to magic are buffed. This means that Hyperion takes a harder punch from him, as did Lobo, Superman, and every other character that is vulnerable to magic. The spotlight on Hyperion is just to emphasize the point that he is vulnerable to it. Magic however has conditions. This means that Shazam’s punches will not necessarily act like a different source of magic, as they all have their own practical uses.
Are we on the same page here? This means that Shazam’s punches will bypass a percentage of Hyperion’s defenses, or body armor (however you’d like to describe it).
Another spell, may be there to nullify certain powers, or in Hyperion’s case, a certain persons powers. This may not be the same effect that Shazam’s punches will have, and since we have never seen Shazam’s punches shut off his opponents powers, there is a high likelihood that the same will occur while in combat with Hyperion. It would be different if Hyperion broke out in hives, got diarrhea, fainted, or contracted negative side effect while in the presence of magic, or magical items.
Since it it highly likely that Hyperion does not have an allergy to magic, we must conclude that he would basically be taking punches from a character as strong Black Adam.
Determining who wins, boils down to the largest threat Shazam has faced that was not a magical character. I just refuse to ignore Hyperion’s durability, and strength. Shazam basically ignores a percentage of a his opponents defense, provided that they have no protection to magic, such as the shirt that they wear, etc.
This does not mean one shot, it means that Shazam’s punches are buffed.