Originally posted by Diesldude
Read defenders 1 and 2. There nothing in these 2 books that would support the celestials being raised to higher tier than they were previously.Sure they created the beyonders and they gave them the raw power to kill them. But is this raw power from the celestial themselves or the power from beyond the beyond?
Tony Stark isn't stronger/more durable/powerful than his creations. So the entire thing is moot anyway.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85agreed
Tony Stark isn't stronger/more durable/powerful than his creations. So the entire thing is moot anyway.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Maybe we should focus on the current Fifth Celestial Host? The timeline is a bit muddled but given that Ewing appears to be clarifying Marvel cosmology, probably best to start there since the Fifth Celestial Host started in his Ultimates run.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Ewing penned two volumes of the run. The first volume dealt with Galactus becoming the Lifebringer. The second one Ultimates 2 is where Ewing really started exploring the cosmology in the wake of Hickman’s Secret Wars and you see how the Fifth Celestial Host came into being.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Ewing penned two volumes of the run. The first volume dealt with Galactus becoming the Lifebringer. The second one Ultimates 2 is where Ewing really started exploring the cosmology in the wake of Hickman’s Secret Wars and you see how the Fifth Celestial Host came into being.
Good shit I read 1-9 and #100.
Marvel Cosmics hierarchy is loony. Power levels are all over the place. Sure there was context behind LT’s murder but how powerful were order and chaos when logos got torn up by Tiger god.
Wasn’t impressed by FIrst Firmament.
I remember Blue Marvel trapping the message/ ghost of shaper of worlds was getting wanked when that issue came out.. Like if BM captured and trapped an omnipotent being. Some of these guys no longer posts here and some were banned but one of this feat wanker was quick to point out that Superman defeated the ghost of Olgrun and not Olgrun himself. Smh
Originally posted by Diesldude👆
Good shit I read 1-9 and #100.Marvel Cosmics hierarchy is loony. Power levels are all over the place. Sure there was context behind LT’s murder but how powerful were order and chaos when logos got torn up by Tiger god.
Well in the wake of Secret Wars, the laws/hierarchy of the Eighth Cosmos was in flux. Convenient excuse to allow the unthinkable to occur.
Originally posted by DiesldudeI mean, the First Firmament was literally eating the Eighth Cosmos iteration of the Marvel Multiverse. And it took the Ultimate Ultimates, all versions of each iteration of the Marvel Multiverse to beat him? Has there ever been a team-up of such proportions necessary to defeat the big bad?
Wasn’t impressed by FIrst Firmament.I remember Blue Marvel trapping the message/ ghost of shaper of worlds was getting wanked when that issue came out.. Like if BM captured and trapped an omnipotent being. Some of these guys no longer posts here and some were banned but one of this feat wanker was quick to point out that Superman defeated the ghost of Olgrun and not Olgrun himself. Smh
We both agree that Blue Marvel only trapped the Shaper's ghost. Also I was that wanker that pointed out it was only Olgrun's ghost. sneer
Originally posted by BluDunkAre we diverting from the Fifth Celestial Host or are we just acting like all Celestial Hosts are the same?
Sadly the Celestials proved to be fodder to likes of sise-neg, a magical time manipulator, and many other magical entities such as dormammu, shuma-gorath, nightmare, etc. Dr.Manhattan transcends both the concept of magic and time honestly he oneshots the entire celestial race.
Originally posted by ODGthe wanker I meant was carter lmao. Not you bro . I have never seen you lie or misrepresent a scan in a debate. 👆
👆Well in the wake of Secret Wars, the laws/hierarchy of the Eighth Cosmos was in flux. Convenient excuse to allow the unthinkable to occur. I mean, the First Firmament was literally eating the Eighth Cosmos iteration of the Marvel Multiverse. And it took the Ultimate Ultimates, all versions of each iteration of the Marvel Multiverse to beat him? Has there ever been a team-up of such proportions necessary to defeat the big bad?
We both agree that Blue Marvel only trapped the Shaper's ghost. Also I was that wanker that pointed out it was only Olgrun's ghost. sneer Are we diverting from the Fifth Celestial Host or are we just acting like all Celestial Hosts are the same?
I’ll post rest of my thoughts in response to your post later.
Originally posted by ODG
👆Well in the wake of Secret Wars, the laws/hierarchy of the Eighth Cosmos was in flux. Convenient excuse to allow the unthinkable to occur. I mean, the First Firmament was literally eating the Eighth Cosmos iteration of the Marvel Multiverse. And it took the Ultimate Ultimates, all versions of each iteration of the Marvel Multiverse to beat him? Has there ever been a team-up of such proportions necessary to defeat the big bad?
We both agree that Blue Marvel only trapped the Shaper's ghost. Also I was that wanker that pointed out it was only Olgrun's ghost. sneer Are we diverting from the Fifth Celestial Host or are we just acting like all Celestial Hosts are the same?
Doesn’t matter which celestial host is inplay the outcome would still be the same. Celestials lose