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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seems like once I challenge him and he can't just be a weasel, he suddenly backs down from the challenge.

Yet uses words like truth, never shown and trolling. Strange.

Edit: maybe Thanos is using Titan Sign Language. Maybe he is pointing to where he wants to open his portal, which wouldn't need the chair.

All I need do really is show him opening portals without his chair, I guess.

The Gladiator BFR is proof that he can. H1 disagrees and says the feat is the chair's but won't prove it. Now he wants to set you up to prove a negative: "prove that Thanos wasn't using the chair in that scene"

Maybe Thanos learned backwards magic from Zatanna and whispered "latrop" off panel

Originally posted by Smurph
ya, the relevant question isn't about the chair, it's whether Thanos can open portals.

The Gladiator BFR is proof that he can. H1 disagrees and says the feat is the chair's but won't prove it. Now he wants to set you up to prove a negative: "prove that Thanos wasn't using the chair in that scene"

Maybe Thanos learned backwards magic from Zatanna and whispered "latrop" off panel

It's hilarious how H1 subtly shifts his setup. First, it was:

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that he can currently open portals with ONLY standard equipment (exactly like the one against Gladiator).

Because the plot point behind the whole idea of restoring his chair was so that he can travel to remote places.

Several times:

Originally posted by h1a8
If Thanos can indeed open a portal (without his chair or other non standard equipment) then you have to prove it.

You claimed that Thanos can open portals (like in the Gladiator scene) with using only standard equipment. Prove it.

Then subtly shifts, once he realises crap, maybe Saint knows something (which, tbf, isn't difficult):

Originally posted by h1a8
The argument is that Thanos (using only his own power or current standard equipment) can open portals exactly like how he did against Gladiator.

Saint originally claimed that Thanos can bfr Mangog exactly like he did Gladiator. Thanos was in his chair when he did that. I asked Saint to prove that Thanos can do that WITHOUT his chair (or that Thanos did it without using the chair).

After all, he knew the 'truth:

Originally posted by h1a8
I can do such things because I know the truth (that's the only way someone is justified for doing such things).

He is (or was?) SO certain Thanos can't open portals without his chair. It was a truth to him. So much so that the exact method by which he defeated Glads (i.e. BFR through a portal) was inadmissible.

Remember, kids who are just joining us:

Originally posted by h1a8
He has never been shown to open portals on his own power.

(Despite Ambient showing a scan of him doing so without his chair, but that is by-the-by. Told you he would handwave it all away, Ambient!).

Now, suddenly, he is subtly shifting it to 'that exact scene, prove he didn't!' Tsk tsk. So weaselly.

Originally posted by Smurph
I don't know how Saint proves that Thanos didn't use the chair in that specific scene.

But, while he's at it, he should probably prove that Thanos didn't make a deal with Mephisto to open a portal.

And that an alternate dimension Loki wasn't invisible, standing beside the throne, opening portals willy nilly.

I gave evidence that Thanos was using the chair. Why ignore that? If it's faulty then that is where you start. Not here.

Again, Thanos is shown pressing a specific area of the hand rest with his extended index finger (only finger drawn extended). Any reasonable person would believe that Thanos activated the portal via that finger on the chair. Otherwise, why would the writer draw Thanos doing that if the chair wasn't responsible for opening the portal?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That Thanos is able to open portals that one can stroll through without his chair..

Care to bet on it? Or will you apologize for acting so arrogantly, asserting that he's never been shown to open portals on his own, or that you know the truth (implicitly saying that I was lying)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's hilarious how H1 subtly shifts his setup. First, it was:

Several times:

Then subtly shifts, once he realises crap, maybe Saint knows something (which, tbf, isn't difficult):

After all, he knew the 'truth:

He is (or was?) SO certain Thanos can't open portals without his chair. It was a truth to him. So much so that the exact method by which he defeated Glads (i.e. BFR through a portal) was inadmissible.

Remember, kids who are just joining us:

(Despite Ambient showing a scan of him doing so without his chair, but that is by-the-by. Told you he would handwave it all away, Ambient!).

Now, suddenly, he is subtly shifting it to 'that exact scene, prove he didn't!' Tsk tsk. So weaselly.

Ambient didn't show this. He showed Thanos walking through a portal. That's not enough. Give issue numbers or post more of the scene.

Everything else in your post is immaterial.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ambient didn't show this. He showed Thanos walking through a portal. That's not enough. Give issue numbers or post more of the scene.

Everything else in your post is immaterial.

Not so.

You claimed he can't. That it was a truth. How is that immaterial?

And just to add:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Care to bet on it? Or will you apologize for acting so arrogantly, asserting that he's never been shown to open portals on his own, or that you know the truth (implicitly saying that I was lying)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Care to bet on it? Or will you apologize for acting so arrogantly, asserting that he's never been shown to open portals on his own, or that you know the truth (implicitly saying that I was lying)?

So if Thanos can open portals on his own power and you have proof then why not post it and be done with it a long time ago? Why troll? That's not cool.

So the ball is in your court. Either prove that Thanos can currently open portals using his own power where Mangog is silly enough to run through.

Don't prove that Thanos did it before and that means is not available to him now or in a forum fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not so.

You claimed he can't. That it was a truth. How is that immaterial?

And just to add:

Without posted proof then he can't.
Simple as that.

Originally posted by h1a8
So if Thanos can open portals on his own power and you have proof then why not post it and be done with it a long time ago? Why troll? That's not cool.

So the ball is in your court. Either prove that Thanos can currently open portals using his own power where Mangog is silly enough to run through.

Don't prove that Thanos did it before and that means is not available to him now or in a forum fight.

Not trolling, your arrogance is just interesting to see, as it's so misplaced.

He's also opened portals under characters, btw, so they fall through like the Spot does. Just a little spoiler alert.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without posted proof then he can't.
Simple as that.

But your assertion is based on ignorance. Which is what I am driving at. Your 'truth' asserts that I am lying. THAT'S trolling, especially as you have no evidence to back up that I am lying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not trolling, your arrogance is just interesting to see, as it's so misplaced.

He's also opened portals under characters, btw, so they fall through like the Spot does. Just a little spoiler alert.

But your assertion is based on ignorance. Which is what I am driving at.

This is a debate forum. You must post proof for something to fly (if someone is asking for it).

Just prove that Thanos can Bfr Mangog in ANYWAY using his own power or current standard equipment. You don't have to necessarily prove that Thanos can open portals anymore.

Lastly, I don't care what Thanos did in the past if it doesn't relate to what he can CURRENTLY do under standard equipment.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a debate forum. You must post proof for something to fly (if someone is asking for it).

Just prove that Thanos can Bfr Mangog in ANYWAY using his own power or current standard equipment. You don't have to necessarily prove that Thanos can open portals anymore.

Lastly, I don't care what Thanos did in the past if it doesn't relate to what he can CURRENTLY do under standard equipment.

Yet you asserted that yours was the truth. So no apology forthcoming, then?

Edit: I see you've backed down from saying Thanos has NEVER (words yours) shown to open portals without his chair. Concession accepted. Apology also accepted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet you asserted that yours was the truth. So no apology forthcoming, then?

You have to show me that my assertion isn't the truth, whatever that was. But stop deflecting. Prove Thanos can and will most likely Bfr Mangog if the two fought in a forum.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to show me that my assertion isn't the truth, whatever that was. But stop deflecting. Prove Thanos can and will most likely Bfr Mangog if the two fought in a forum.

Not willing to have a wager with consequences for the loser?

I see you subtly trying to shift the goalposts once more, lmao. I though I was just showing him opening portals without the chair, something he has NEVER done before, according to you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not willing to have a wager with consequences for the loser?

I see you subtly trying to shift the goalposts once more, lmao. I though I was just showing him opening portals without the chair, something he has NEVER done before, according to you?

The consequences is that the lose looks bad.
I didn't shift any goalposts. You are.
The whole point of the discussion is why Thanos belongs above Mangog. Did you forget? That's the goal. You claimed wehe was above because he can Bfr him 200 light years away like he did Gladiator. That's where it started. Let's keep it simple

Originally posted by h1a8
The consequences is that the lose looks bad.
I didn't shift any goalposts. You are.
The whole point of the discussion is why Thanos belongs above Mangog. Did you forget? That's the goal. You claimed wehe was above because he can Bfr him 200 light years away like he did Gladiator. That's where it started. Let's keep it simple

So you're asserting that you're wrong when you say he has NEVER done so? I am trying to do this point by point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're asserting that you're wrong when you say he has NEVER done so? I am trying to do this point by point.

Let's argue the main point (to prevent from derailing the thread). After that we can argue anything else.
Prove that Thanos can and will bfr Mangog with either his own power or using current standard equipment.

After you prove that then we can argue anything else.

Well the willingness is already proven....with gladiator. He sent him a way.

You already look bad, though, so there isn't much of an incentive for me to do so.

And if you say that's trolling, so be it - but report me, or get reported for backseat modding.

Post 1
Right. So let's recap the entire thing, and have a little summary. I have had to split my post up, because I had way too many scans lmao.

Firstly, cunning h1 had this to say:

Originally posted by h1a8
Now on to my true intent.
Bfr is not option for Thanos here.
Why?
Because the Bfr feat against Gladiator doesn't count in a forum fight.
Think about why before you respond.

Originally posted by h1a8
The feat does not count because Thanos had his chair when he did the feat. He does not have his chair in a forum fight.

So, if Thanos can open portals WITHOUT his chair, WITHOUT any prep (i.e. just standard showings), then....BFR is most certainly an option.

Reiterated (one post out of many repeating the same things):

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that he can currently open portals with ONLY standard equipment (exactly like the one against Gladiator).

Because the plot point behind the whole idea of restoring his chair was so that he can travel to remote places.

So secondly, let's see this famous portal against Glads:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/11122/111223216/4958177-gladiator.jpg

From CV, but you get the picture (literally).

So, I have tried to restrict myself to the last 5 years' only of comics. But I broke that a bit, and have scans from comics from the last FOUR years, including the current Eternals comic (where we most recently see Thanos).

OK.

Note the following scans. Note how there are NO CHAIRS present. No special prep, no non-standard equipment:

Explicitly called a teleportational gate (which can also transport others ):

(Bonus: it is interplanetary in scope).

Against Moondragon, he opens it casually under her so gravity makes her fall into it:

More openings:

Post 2
Cheeky one, as a chair is seen in the scan, but I can post the previous if people decided to nitpick:

Interdimensional portals:

More openings (including for other characters):

Starlin's, by-the-by, is a bar on Knowhere. So that portal is from Zelchia to Knowhere.

This next scan is from the current Eternals series, where we last see Thanos (2021 release, I believe):

Post 3 (of 3, don't worry...)
Now, the kicker

Remember the scan of Gladiator being BFR'd? Rememeber how apparently, according to h1, Thanos uses a chair because his finger is moving? Writer intent and all that?

IN THE VERY SAME STORY, A SCANT FEW PAGES PRIOR:

No chair.

No chair.

Truly, h1 is a master of interpretation!

And remember when Gladiator got BFR'd?

Wait, what's happening? Step-Stormbreaker, what are you doing???

Phuck, that chair is destroyed!!!!And yet....

Again, that's just limiting myself to the past few years. It includes Thanos opening them casually in battle, casually to carry other characters around, across planetary distances (or even more), interdimensionally, all without the chair. It includes Thanos opening them under characters, without having to say anything, but definitely without the chair. It even includes showings from last year, which in comic terms in a couple of issues ago.

Again, this is severely limiting myself to 'portal opening', I didn't even argue things like:

Where he casually waves his hand and doesn't even need to open portals against Spider-man and Surfer, two of the characters with some of the best (reflex/travel) speed feats in Marvel.

Thanks for reading.