Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)

Doom.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I've always liked them.

But you gotta admit they got dope villains.

Originally posted by playa1258
The rogues gallery is definitely top notch.

Mole Man, Mad Thinker, Red Ghost, Psycho-Man, Puppet Master... yeah, right 😂

Their best rogues aren't even truly theirs anymore - Doom left that club of losers and so did Big G.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We might end up with another M.O.D.O.K. ... 😂

Only if they don't put in the extra effort.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mole Man, Mad Thinker, Red Ghost, Psycho-Man, Puppet Master... yeah, right 😂

Their best rogues aren't even truly theirs anymore - Doom left that club of losers and so did Big G.

They still have a ton of great ones.

Annihilus, Blastaar, Terrax, Molecule Man, Dragon Man, etc,,,

Listen to yourself, tki. You really call those great? jr_erm01

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Listen to yourself, tki. You really call those great? jr_erm01

I think they are really solid. Why the hate?

Originally posted by tkitna
I think they are really solid. Why the hate?

Character and personality. Motivation and goals. Those are basic requirements if you want "solid" villains.

You're old enough to know this, too. Stop with this kindergarten mentality.

Molecule Man stopped being a villain ages ago - and he stopped being a F4 rogue even before that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Their best rogues aren't even truly theirs anymore - Doom left that club of losers and so did Big G.

That just shows that you haven't read the FF book in a while, Doom & Galactus at least appear in the Dan slott's run 'Vol 6 (2018–2022)'

I am well aware of that. It changes nothing, as they still have evolved way, way beyond being mere F4 rogues reeking of lameness.

I just hope they don’t use the actor as a human avatar for Galactus like GotG2 did with Kurt Russell and Ego.

^^^Oh they will.

Considering how many times he was depowered to his original Galan (sometimes spelled "Galen"😉 human form in the mainstream universe... yeah, it's more than likely the same thing will happen in MCU.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Character and personality. Motivation and goals. Those are basic requirements if you want "solid" villains.

You're old enough to know this, too. Stop with this kindergarten mentality.

Molecule Man stopped being a villain ages ago - and he stopped being a F4 rogue even before that.

This isn't the comic books we're talking about. Movies can install any character, personality, motivation, or goals they choose.

Those FF4 villains are no worse than a guy parading around in a costume with question marks on it or some short fat guy waddling around with a monocle and umbrella. Its all in how they choose to use them.

So much CBM films to debate next year.

Anyway the choice for Galactus is pretty good and the FF4 will have to pay the iron price.

Originally posted by tkitna
This isn't the comic books we're talking about. Movies can install any character, personality, motivation, or goals they choose.

No, they really can't. And paying American screenwriters pennies is sure not helping with that.

Not to mention how straying too far from the source material is never appreciated, so wrong again.

Originally posted by tkitna
Those FF4 villains are no worse than a guy parading around in a costume with question marks on it or some short fat guy waddling around with a monocle and umbrella. Its all in how they choose to use them.

Talking bug, talking ape, d-list herald slave, mentally ill wimp, robot... great choices.

All you care about are power levels. That's good for 4-year-olds.

2025 hopefully is a much better year for CBM. Outside of GOTG 3 2023 was a complete shit show.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I am well aware of that. It changes nothing, as they still have evolved way, way beyond being mere F4 rogues reeking of lameness.

AKA more excuses for you to shit on characters you dislike.

I never shit on you, my kangaroo 😍

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, they really can't.

Yeah they really can. You might not like that, but it doesn't make it untrue.

As for straying from comic source material, you and I aren't the audience they are trying to reach.

Talking bug, talking ape, d-list herald slave, mentally ill wimp, robot... great choices.

All you care about are power levels. That's good for 4-year-olds.

Trashing on rogue galleries can be done with any character or group. It's not a good look on you.

Power levels? Your just throwing stuff at the wall now. Those are just FF4 villains. Not sure what power levels has to do with anything. Sure they are more powerful than say Batman or Daredevil foes, but they aren't fighting Batman or Daredevil, it's the FF4.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah they really can. You might not like that, but it doesn't make it untrue.

As for straying from comic source material, you and I aren't the audience they are trying to reach.

We are the audience they are trying to reach, hence how MCU succeeded in the first place. It's DC who can never do it right.

We were discussing F4's lame villains and suddenly you say they can be molded into anything the studio wants them to be... no longer being themselves, really - hey, if you go with that, then even Adolf Hitler can be a new Superman. That's just silly.

Originally posted by tkitna
Trashing on rogue galleries can be done with any character or group. It's not a good look on you.

Power levels? Your just throwing stuff at the wall now. Those are just FF4 villains. Not sure what power levels has to do with anything. Sure they are more powerful than say Batman or Daredevil foes, but they aren't fighting Batman or Daredevil, it's the FF4.

It's particularly easy with F4, as their rogues are trash.

Power levels have everything to do with it, as you are extremely biased in that regard and that's the only kind of "writing" you appreciate.

And it's either FF or F4, not "FF4". You are/you're, not "your". Christ, grow up, tki.