Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)

Originally posted by Robtard
The Marvels sucked diseased donkey balls due to piss poor writing, as has been the MCU trend as of late, not because some women did some stuff male characters do.

Marvels, not Marvel's.

Marvel's Colossus witnessed some marvels, visited King in the hospital and told him about them.

See the difference? 😉

Originally posted by KingD19
Its just so obvious they're still trying to cash in on girl power and strong female leads and "girls get it done" that they took a great concept and HAD to shove a lady in there even though canonical Sue Storm is easily more powerful than Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch in many ways.

There is no argument you could have to make sense of them using a limited run character who is essentially non-canon and no one knows while you're using the Canon stories and versions of everyone else in the story, when the limited run you use is a girl swap of one of their primary adversaries, turned ally,turned adversary again unless you're trying to hit that "Furiosa, Woman King" demographic. Nobody would've batted an eye if they used Frankie Raye for a girl or Stardust who has one of the dopest concepts of all time.

Tell me that wouldn't be cool as all hell in live action for the first time ever? A 9ft tall energy being that literally swims through space like an ocean.

I would rather have seen the MCU make an FF movie ten years ago than now.

But again, hoping for the best.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
These problems are connected, you see.

You're blinded by wokeness, but it'll pass.

"Woke" as the word has been twisted into now isn't real. There's just a bunch of shit movies cos of shit and lazy writing. Often the byproduct of something good that made money and the companies just keep shitting out to keep cashing in. Compare Ironman 2008 to Phase 5, save GoTG3.

If Aliens had been made today and a new franchise, some people would be crying about Ripley kicking ass and saving Hicks the hero-tough-marine-man, while going full "Reee-eeee!" over Vasquez, as it's selective outrage.

Free yourself. Free. Yourself.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Marvels, not Marvel's.

Marvel's Colossus witnessed some marvels, visited King in the hospital and told him about them.

See the difference? 😉

😂

Originally posted by Robtard
"Woke" as the word has been twisted into now isn't real. There's just a bunch of shit movies cos of shit and lazy writing. Often the byproduct of something good that made money and the companies just keep shitting out to keep cashing in. Compare Ironman 2008 to Phase 5, save GoTG3.

If Aliens had been made today and a new franchise, some people would be crying about Ripley kicking ass and saving Hicks the hero-tough-marine-man, while going full "Reee-eeee!" over Vasquez, as it's selective outrage.

Free yourself. Free. Yourself.

The 80s and 90s was full of strong female leads but they were strong people who happened to be women, they weren't strong because they were women. And it didn't come at the expense of everybody else. They were people who had flaws and issues and overcame them to be great. It wasn't just shoved in our faces how awesome they are because they have sweater jubblies.

That's effectively the same thing. I'll give you another example: If Terminator came out in 2013, and then T2 in 2024 where Sarah Connor went from nigh useless diner wench to ripped man-ass-kicking-murder-mom, it would be labeled "wokeness" by the same crowd.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's effectively the same thing. I'll give you another example: If Terminator came out in 2013, and then T2 in 2024 where Sarah Connor went from nigh useless diner wench to ripped man-ass-kicking-murder-mom, it would be labeled "wokeness" by the same crowd.

I disagree, because it was plainly stated and shown that she spent essentially her kids entire childhood on the run, prepping and constantly fighting off time assassins. People who gripe at that point are part of the crowd who are just looking for reasons to be angry and can't find any. People who gripe about She-Hulk for example have a million reasons that they're actually right.

Nobody complained about Evelyn Salt because she was a woman and a badass who knew how to be a badass while being a woman. She couldn't easily outfght and outmuscle guys twice her size so she had to be smarter, faster, more resourceful, stuff that made sense. She actually failed at times and even when she won, she wasn't walking away pretty from a fight with a 6'3 goon trained in Krav Maga and knife fighting.

Be that as it may, we would be seeing the same effect with T2.

Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch are two of the most powerful characters in the MCU, it's because their powers are derived from infinity stones, the "most awesomely powerful forces in the universe".

Vision was too, he had to be backstabbed by a guy with a super-duper-spear in order for the story to progress. Otherwise he could have kicked everyone's ass in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Be that as it may, we would be seeing the same effect with T2.

Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch are two of the most powerful characters in the MCU, it's because their powers are derived from infinity stones, the "most awesomely powerful forces in the universe".

Vision was too, he had to be backstabbed by a guy with a super-duper-spear in order for the story to progress. Otherwise he could have kicked everyone's ass in.

Yeah, but Vision actually had development and story arc in his limited screentime. He went from essentially a hyper-intelligent child to a man, a lover, a purveyor of art and phikosophy and still flawed as his programming held him back in a lot of ways. Just like his heart did. For example, he was on Tony's side during Civil War because he thought it was logical. He couldn't see the intricacies, even though it broke Wanda's heart for him to be on the other side. They simply showed and told us multiple times Carol and Wanda were the strongest. It got so bad that people were arguing in-universe who was stronger between the two of them. Carol got 0 development that entire time and they killed everyone Wanda ever loved to make her go crazy and then kill herself after Originally going crazy off-screen and hiding it the whole time post Wandavision.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, but Vision actually had development and story arc in his limited screentime. They simply showed and told us multiple times Carol and Wanda were the strongest. It got so bad that people were arguing in-universe who was stronger between the two of them. Carol got 0 development that entire time and they killed everyone Wanda ever loved to make her go crazy and then kill herself after Originally going crazy off-screen and hiding it the whole time post Wandavision.

I don't agree, as Danvers' solo movie that had plenty of dev, story arc and power-progression. We saw her backstory in detail.

Could even possibly argue that Wanda had more screen time than Vision prior to his death and her character had dev, story and power-ups along the way. While Vision was 'born' as powerful as he is. The character dev he showed was becoming more human and it happened largely offscreen.

Doctor Doom needs to be slowly and methodically introduced as the MCU’s next major antagonist. F*ck Kang.

Mole Man would be a great first villain with his giant kaiju monsters. Or Annihilus from the Negative Zone.

Originally posted by Impediment
FFS, DO NOT CAST DOOM IN PART ONE!!!

Victor Von Doom needs to be built up like Thanos and methodically introduced.

Mole Man and his Kaijus, Annihilus and the Negative Zone, and even the Skrulls are great villains.

Originally posted by Impediment
I’ve said it once and I’ll say again that Doctor Doom needs to be slowly and methodically introduced to the MCU.

We remember, Imp 😛 It's a small forum.

The F4 is a lost cause, Doom would make a better Doctor Strange or Thor villain at this point.

Shalla Bal Surfer doesnt make this film some sort of lost cause. Its probably going to be an alternate universe. Calm down people. Norrin will be the MCU Surfer.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Shalla Bal Surfer doesnt make this film some sort of lost cause. Its probably going to be an alternate universe. Calm down people. Norrin will be the MCU Surfer.

Norrin isn't the problem though, the F4 is impossible cast for, a young Hugh Hefner, Donna Reed, Donna Reed, Jake Lamotta, and whatever Beach Boy Johnny is based on don't have actor equivalents anymore, you'd need an all CGI cast.

And I mean the truth is the F4 was NEVER good, they don't have mainstream appeal, they were for nerds. The Xmen were mainstream, the Avengers were all audiences, the F4 was for the Big Bang Theory Sheldon weirdo's out there.