How Woke is too Woke?

Started by Adam_PoE5 pages
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Thinking that a hijab is a symbol of women's empowerment is definitely an example of "too woke" (if that's such a thing. Not sure that's the label I would give it. I think the label that it was given was "regressive."😉

Repression is freedom! Up is down!

Originally posted by Smurph
Sure. I grew up in Calgary, on Treaty 7 territory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_7

So you'll see that the Blackfoot nation(s) have certain rights within the terms of that treaty. Much of it, I expect, is in dispute.

Now I live in Vancouver, which the city acknowledges (via one of those lane acknowledgments) is the unceded territory of the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh nations.

https://vancouver.ca/people-programs/land-acknowledgement.aspx

It's complicated and not my area, but the fact that everybody now acknowledges that the land was never ceded through treaty will change the legal requirements on how those nations need to be consulted at various points of land/water development.

Much better, I think I get it now.

Am I right to assume a raw deal for nations with no treaty? Or do I have it backwards, and is lack of a treaty treated as theft, meaning room to renegotiate a better deal as a punitive measure to a nation who lost land without an agreement?

Depends. I doubt any Nation feels like it got a good deal, but they're each in a different legal context to make that argument.

There is no question the United States is guilty of genocide. I just don't think land acknowledgements are a useful thing in most contexts. My point is not that we should gloss over that very horrible set of actions ! More than 2 centuries of genocide and total war against a people.

The term woke as used in the lexicon of American society is mostly as an umbrella term where conservatives can take all of their strawman arguments into one term to invoke an emotional response of their base.

The idea of being too woke falls into that trap and logical fallacy of theirs. There will be people with extreme ideas but those ideas should be judged on the merit of the idea itself.

Originally posted by Newjak
The term woke as used in the lexicon of American society is mostly as an umbrella term where conservatives can take all of their strawman arguments into one term to invoke an emotional response of their base.

The idea of being too woke falls into that trap and logical fallacy of theirs. There will be people with extreme ideas but those ideas should be judged on the merit of the idea itself.

No, I agree.

Which isn't to say I don't believe woke exists. Personal examples of what I consider wokeness:

Laws in European states that have actual prison time for refusing to honor gender pronouns.

I'm sorry, but I will always consider imprisonment for "hate speech" as an extreme unwarranted response. No one has died from being offended.

Originally posted by cdtm

Laws in European states that have actual prison time for refusing to honor gender pronouns.

I'm sure you'll be providing those "states" any minute now.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I'm sure you'll be providing those "states" any minute now.

Germany is one such state.

I believe Australia is another.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/new-transgender-law-australia-make-illegal-call-individuals-120627395.html

And maybe I forgot Australia isn't strictly European, but always considered them as a European nation in spirit given their influences.

Btw Jadan, maybe lose the attitude. Not every argument warrants a flippant response, it gets old.

So yeah, making proper pronoun use a legal thing would definitely be an example of much too Woke, imo.

So nobody's been jailed for it? Imagine my surprise.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/new-transgender-law-australia-make-illegal-call-individuals-120627395.html

And maybe I forgot Australia isn't strictly European, but always considered them as a European nation in spirit given their influences.

Maybe you got confused with names. They can be difficult

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What about the UK malicious communications act? This was passed in 1988, and specifically targets delivering messages designed to cause distress or emotional harm, on threat of a maximum two years imprisonment.

Essentially, one can be imprisoned for mean social media posts.

Originally posted by cdtm
What about the UK malicious communications act? This was passed in 1988, and specifically targets delivering messages designed to cause distress or emotional harm, on threat of a maximum two years imprisonment.

Essentially, one can be imprisoned for mean social media posts.

Well if it's been around for 34 years I'm sure you'll find plenty examples of people being imprisoned for using the wrong pronouns.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Well if it's been around for 34 years I'm sure you'll find plenty examples of people being imprisoned for using the wrong pronouns.

The pronouns wasn't really the point though. Imprisonment for mean words is.

Originally posted by cdtm
The pronouns wasn't really the point though. Imprisonment for mean words is.
Laws in European states that have actual prison time for refusing to honor gender pronouns

Originally posted by cdtm
Germany is one such state.

I believe Australia is another.

TIL: cdtm's "beliefs" >>> reality

Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: cdtm's "beliefs" >>> reality

I literally posted a citation for Australia though.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0

The law and the threat posed by said laws aren't good enough?

Is Buck vs Bell precedent any less of an outrage if only one woman was chemically castrated? Would it matter if no one was fixed, if they said legally you can be?