Post about laws and punishments of imprisonment for using wrong pronouns in European states. Cites an example from Australia (not Europe) that "could" make it illegal to use "he" and "she" but no-one's been imprisoned or even prosecuted with it.
Then cites a law in Britain that's existed for 30+ years that has nothing to do with misgendering people and no one has been prosecuted using that law for misgendering someone. Then can't provide a single example anywhere in the world, let alone Europe, of anyone being imprisoned for using wrong pronouns.
Imagine your prime example of things becoming "too woke" being entirely fictional.
Originally posted by cdtm
I literally posted a citation for Australia though.
And Australia is literally not in Europe
And that story was literally from 2018
And literally no one was arrested in Australia for using the wrong pronoun against a trans person
And in 2021 the Australian Senate literally voted against making gender neutral language a thing in official materials
And maybe you should literally just stop making things up and going with them as if they were facts
As far as I can tell, "woke" doesn't actually mean anything. Maybe at one time it did, but now it's just a new overused blanket term used by the right to complain about pretty much anything in media that they don't like (black characters, gay characters, characters who are in general liberal in some way or don't masterbate to the american flag).
It's the new "snowflake". Or "fake news".
Originally posted by Blakemore
I thought it was a meme used to describe an SJW who wants a black/gay/trans/female/asian whatever in some media for no reason other than diversity.
Diversity for diversities sake is part of it.
Really it's mostly the smug enlightened attitude and condescension towards people who are ignorant. Ideology changes often, it's natural many won't even understand the latest trends in pronoun usage and such, yet all get treated like David Duke.
Originally posted by BackFire
As far as I can tell, "woke" doesn't actually mean anything.
white americans who are aware of the real history of america. it's really just as simple is acknowledgement of factual stuff like "the tulsa massacre happened", without worrying that the precious white children will all lose their f*cking minds and have to live with chronic depression over it, as trumpers love to assert. this thread is pure bullshit
what it really is: how liberal is too liberal, how progressive is too progressive... or another title like that which is honest and non-manipulative/gaslighty
You guys are making too much of the title. Bashar, yes, that's exactly what I meant. Woke isn't an insult to a liberal, even though conservatives think it is. It's kinda funny that way. We like being called woke at the exact same time they think they are insulting us by calling us that.
It's like using socialist as an insult, when its actually a really good thing.
Originally posted by cdtm
Nah, it's an insult because socialism just doesn't work, every time it's been tried you get a tyranny.
That's absolutely not true. Look at the EU, look at the Baltics. Socialism is great. You have dictators who promised socialism and lied in the exact same way that trump promised to make America great again, and then tried his best to derail democracy... Those liars aren't socialism, just liars.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm not defending cdtm's sentiment, but the EU is not socialist as a matter of fact. A society can't be socialist and remain capitalist, that's oxymoronic.
If it's a pure socialist state, sure, I can see that. They definitely have socialist tenets when compared to the u.s. though.
I'd also say I prefer pure socialism to pure capitalism any day. Capitalism only works with socialist minded regulation.
Originally posted by truejedi
If it's a pure socialist state, sure, I can see that. They definitely have socialist tenets when compared to the u.s. though.
The funny thing about socialism is there are 2 aspects people conveniently forget. 1. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Any country which has attempted to practice socialism has been absolutely hammered with sanctions by the most powerful economies on the planet because they refused to let those powers exploit their resources or kicked out corrupt puppet governments that served those powers.
2. The people who spread the message that socialism was bad were billionaire media barons who were the ones who stood to lose out if socialism were to take hold in their own countries.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0Yes, but Castro, Khomeini, Kim Il Sung, Diem and so many other communist regimes did have economic ties with Russia and China.
The funny thing about socialism is there are 2 aspects people conveniently forget. 1. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Any country which has attempted to practice socialism has been absolutely hammered with sanctions by the most powerful economies on the planet because they refused to let those powers exploit their resources or kicked out corrupt puppet governments that served those powers.
2. The people who spread the message that socialism was bad were billionaire media barons who were the ones who stood to lose out if socialism were to take hold in their own countries.
I mean, Eisenhower's speech about the military industrial complex is about the Soviet Union as much as it is about rich media barons; Kennedy's speech about secret societies also applies to both.
And you completely missed the fact you just proved why people are against socialism.
"Any country which has attempted to practice socialism has been absolutely hammered with sanctions by the most powerful economies on the planet because they refused to let those powers exploit their resources or kicked out corrupt puppet governments that served those powers."
And my point was this could apply to the US and Europe as much as it could to Russia and China so what even is your point? Failed system is fail?
Originally posted by Blakemore
And you completely missed the fact you just proved why people are against socialism."Any country which has attempted to practice socialism has been absolutely hammered with sanctions by the most powerful economies on the planet because they refused to let those powers exploit their resources or kicked out corrupt puppet governments that served those powers."
And my point was this could apply to the US and Europe as much as it could to Russia and China so what even is your point? Failed system is fail?
People are against socialism because for decades, billionaire media barons and their corporate conspirators have told them socialism is bad for them when in reality it's bad for the corporate and media billionaires. That's how propaganda works.