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Originally posted by cdtm
I too am pumping iron at the gym.
I did 4 100 mile rides this year. I start early morning on sundays so that I can come home by 9am for parental duties. I average about 22mph over 100 miles. I can bump it up to 25mph if I can get below 200lbs.
Of course not Smurph. The stats don’t lie. Where did it ever say that Count Nefaria was stronger than Hercules, Hyperion, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Gladiator, Thor, Hulk, etc? The Hulk is actually the strongest of that grouping pre All Father.
Check these numbers out my man… you’re a man correct? If not, pardon me.
Hercules was capable of moving a distance of just over 100 meters in 2.3 seconds. This means that he was moving at approximately 97 mph, I’m not adding Amadeus weight while he ran that distance either, but for arguments sake, let’s say that Hercules can run at an even 100 mph with relative ease, Count Nefaria under normal conditions can run at 5000 mph. Huge difference in speed. So stop thinking of that comic. You get it yet?
This is not the guy being discussed. We are discussing the nerfed version. You seem to keep missing that step. You sure that you aren’t simply seeking attention?
Hercules can hurt him, that is all that is needed to know here. One guy knows how to fight like a champion while the other knows about as much as you and mostly every other person walking around in public.
Why don’t you go and see how well you do against a boxer 20 pounds lighter than yourself. There is an actual science to fighting. If you got in a fight, you’re heart would start pumping which would make you burn energy at a faster rate than normal, while a trained fighter trains to be as calm and methodical.
We have on panel proof that Hercules is an experienced fighter, while also being supported by historical canon of his combat experiences.
Prove that Hercules can not hurt Count Nefaria. That’s your job, I’ve more than done mine while explaining at length why Count Nefaria hasn’t a prayer here.
You presented scans of how well Nefaria performed against snails. We are now deducting his speed from the citing. The OP. Deduct the laser vision. Wanda would have finished it right there if Nefaria had to operate under these conditions. Not my opinion, but what is clearly seen.
You are in fact debating an entirely different character in this case. The loss of those powers dramatically reduce his combat effectiveness and efficiency. Tell me something Smurph or let this shit drop.
I do not recall the issue number, it may have been in an Uncanny X-Men issue perhaps? Count Nefaria was never an up front combatant. You can however Google/bing his appearances. When I say up front combatant, I mean H2H fighting. He was more of the shoot you with a gun type. Everything about Hercules is H2H, no gunplay needed.
Your line of questioning seems irrelevant since we fully know that his combat skills were the same as those of the general public.
There is no mention of any formal combat training in his history, you will never see it mentioned, because he never did.
We are also no longer talking about the same character in those comic books any longer.
The Sentry is much faster than Count Nefaria, you can’t even really compare the two, and Hercules caught his punch. Was that skill, or by fluke?
Originally posted by Stoic
I do not recall the issue number, it may have been in an Uncanny X-Men issue perhaps? Count Nefaria was never an up front combatant. You can however Google/bing his appearances. When I say up front combatant, I mean H2H fighting. He was more of the shoot you with a gun type. Everything about Hercules is H2H, no gunplay needed.Your line of questioning seems irrelevant since we fully know that his combat skills were the same as those of the general public.
There is no mention of any formal combat training in his history, you will never see it mentioned, because he never did.We are also no longer talking about the same character in those comic books any longer.
The Sentry is much faster than Count Nefaria, you can’t even really compare the two, and Hercules caught his punch. Was that skill, or by fluke?
Wasn't Nefaria originally an aristocrat, or some form of intellectual?
You wouldn't think of a most professors as an expert in hand to hand.
Originally posted by Stoic
I do not recall the issue number, it may have been in an Uncanny X-Men issue perhaps? Count Nefaria was never an up front combatant. You can however Google/bing his appearances. When I say up front combatant, I mean H2H fighting. He was more of the shoot you with a gun type. Everything about Hercules is H2H, no gunplay needed.Your line of questioning seems irrelevant since we fully know that his combat skills were the same as those of the general public.
There is no mention of any formal combat training in his history, you will never see it mentioned, because he never did.We are also no longer talking about the same character in those comic books any longer.
The Sentry is much faster than Count Nefaria, you can’t even really compare the two, and Hercules caught his punch. Was that skill, or by fluke?
Characters perform at different levels at different times (especially in speed).
You are equating lower showings with higher showings. This is a form of trolling. For example, Spiderman has outsped bullets, yet has gotten struck by much slower moving things.
Sentry isn't displayed at super speed most of the time (Iron man, Hulk, Thor, etc all fights him at the same speed and tags him easily). You can't use Sentry's highest speed showing and say that Hercules caught THAT SPEED.
If you are using handbooks for fighting skill then Nefaria is equal or greater. If you are using comics then you must display Hercules skill showings (lip service doesn't count).
Originally posted by Stoic
I do not recall the issue number, it may have been in an Uncanny X-Men issue perhaps? Count Nefaria was never an up front combatant. You can however Google/bing his appearances. When I say up front combatant, I mean H2H fighting. He was more of the shoot you with a gun type. Everything about Hercules is H2H, no gunplay needed.Your line of questioning seems irrelevant since we fully know that his combat skills were the same as those of the general public.
There is no mention of any formal combat training in his history, you will never see it mentioned, because he never did.We are also no longer talking about the same character in those comic books any longer.
The Sentry is much faster than Count Nefaria, you can’t even really compare the two, and Hercules caught his punch. Was that skill, or by fluke?
Right. Another text wall with no answer. So, the panel doesn't exist.
For 30 pages you've been saying this:
Originally posted by Stoic
Going based solely on canon, Nefaria never had any formal training.
But that's just untrue. You say "based solely on canon" but you have no basis in canon. You made up handbook figures and you made up on panel statements.
Fact is, the only direct evidence about whether Nefaria is a trained fighter is the handbook rating his skill as "some training". If we disregard that because handbooks are weak evidence, then we only have his fight record and your hate for his outfit. And unless we get into lowballing, his fight record happens to be very good.
A mistake is one thing but you've spent 30 pages blithering about fighting skill and occasionally dropping a vague reference to comics and handbooks and then repeatedly, over and over, avoiding simple questions about those references. You're just saying "the comics clearly back me up!!! but uh, no I can't and won't say where."