Count Nefaria Vs Hercules, speed equalised, no heat vision

Does Herc's "skill" take it, or is the only skill he has going down for the count. If his going down skills are mad egough, does the count keep him around?

Nefaria easily

Same speed? Hercules would murder him. What good is power if you can't fight? The Count is an old man made young again with very little in the way of combat skills.

Never understood why Silver Age Nefaria was hyped as much as he was. The fact is Vision KO'd him by falling on him, and he was staggered all the time. Thor and Iron Man could have double teamed him if they fought smart.

^ Nefaria fought an entire roster of Avengers through multiple rounds of combat and was doing really well until Thor came in. That's why. And it's not like he immediately crumpled when Thor arrived.

Nefaria wins.

Originally posted by lawest9
Nefaria wins.

Not to challenge you opinion, but they would be moving at the very same speed without Nefaria being able to lean on laser vision. The Count can not fight beyond that of a rookie boxer, while Hercules has centuries of wrestling experience. The Count would be roughed up pretty badly here, especially since Nefaria isn’t much stronger than Hercules if at all.

Hate to disagree with you but Thor himself said that the count pushed over a skyscapper with a casual ease that even he couldn't match, Thor and Herc being equal in strength I just see CN being stronger by enough to make up the skill edge Herc has here imho.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Does Herc's "skill" take it, or is the only skill he has going down for the count. If his going down skills are mad egough, does the count keep him around?

Why do you hate yourself so much, Whirl?

You and Herc are basically the same character 😎

Originally posted by lawest9
Hate to disagree with you but Thor himself said that the count pushed over a skyscapper with a casual ease that even he couldn't match, Thor and Herc being equal in strength I just see CN being stronger by enough to make up the skill edge Herc has here imho.

Thought it kind of funny how Thor drags around the Midgard serpent on a fishing line and gets impressed by moving a skyscraper.

Even with the strength edge, Herc fought much stronger characters. Hulk for example. He was still able to execute pankration style takedowns.

Nefaria should get thrown all day against a grapple master, grounded and pounded ect..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why do you hate yourself so much, Whirl?

You and Herc are basically the same character 😎

whirley is homo?

Originally posted by lawest9
Hate to disagree with you but Thor himself said that the count pushed over a skyscapper with a casual ease that even he couldn't match, Thor and Herc being equal in strength I just see CN being stronger by enough to make up the skill edge Herc has here imho.

Hercules is actually a bit stronger than Thor, while Thor is obviously more powerful. I do mean Thor before his All Father career began. Who cares if you’re stronger if you only land 1 out of 10 attempted assaults? With Herc’s superior knowledge of combat, Nefaria would get the short end.

Nefaria isn’t so strong that he can brush off Herc’s attacks as if they were nothing.

Well I don't think that Herc is a whole lot stronger than Wonderman for example and Nefaria tanked Simon's blows without blinking and made short work of him by knocking him through a building, Thor or Herc couldn't dispatch Simon THAT easily I'm sure, and if Herc is stronger than Thor the difference is too small to measure as all of their fights ended in a stalemate with Thor actually winning a couple of times ( Thor #321- 1973 ).

I'm not saying that Hercules wouldn't make a fight of it but he is not humbling CN.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hercules is actually a bit stronger than Thor, while Thor is obviously more powerful. I do mean Thor before his All Father career began. Who cares if you’re stronger if you only land 1 out of 10 attempted assaults? With Herc’s superior knowledge of combat, Nefaria would get the short end.

Nefaria isn’t so strong that he can brush off Herc’s attacks as if they were nothing.

I don't think Hercules is significantly stronger than Thor. Most likely by a small amount.

A bit = a small amount. Isn't it nice when we all agree.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A bit = a small amount. Isn't it nice when we all agree.

Originally posted by lawest9
Well I don't think that Herc is a whole lot stronger than Wonderman for example and Nefaria tanked Simon's blows without blinking and made short work of him by knocking him through a building, Thor or Herc couldn't dispatch Simon THAT easily I'm sure, and if Herc is stronger than Thor the difference is too small to measure as all of their fights ended in a stalemate with Thor actually winning a couple of times ( Thor #321- 1973 ).

I'm not saying that Hercules wouldn't make a fight of it but he is not humbling CN.

Classic Wonder Man? I may be largely ignorant of Marvel, but I did read some classic Avengers, and know he never actually hurt Thor with his sucker punch. He toppled him, e.g. knocked him off balance. The text even directly said he couldn't actually harm him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hercules is actually a bit stronger than Thor, while Thor is obviously more powerful. I do mean Thor before his All Father career began. Who cares if you’re stronger if you only land 1 out of 10 attempted assaults? With Herc’s superior knowledge of combat, Nefaria would get the short end.

Nefaria isn’t so strong that he can brush off Herc’s attacks as if they were nothing.

Why do you say Hercules is stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by h1a8
I take "a bit" means a lot to Stoic. I could be wrong.

I have more faith in Stoic's grasp of English - a bit is a pretty common phrase.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have more faith in Stoic's grasp of English - a bit is a pretty common phrase.