DOS Doomsday runs the hulk gauntlet

Originally posted by carver9
Never said any of them were human. What I did say is an all out Doomsday pounded on them and failed to kill them. He can bring up Bi Beast all he wants but we got a clear indication on how powerful each of these characters were in DOS, CLEAR. The consistency of the writing for DOS was always the same for everyone, mid to high meta. Bi Beast withstanding a punch from a Hulk that pages after tilted a city plays part in how durable they were and comics before shaking planets and the east cost.

So they're herald level in durability.

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday wasn't holding back. Pages before that he was killing humans and animals and pages after that he was killing people, twisting their necks and cutting their throats. He was an animal, Hulk is actually being controlled by Banner.

Originally posted by carver9
No, there's no thinking about this. The title is named DOS Doomsday which means we only use showings from that story. If the author wants to use other showings outside of DOS, he needs to clarify that.

Again, I wouldn't even mention Doomsday being trapped by mud if it was a one off showing in the book but it's not. The entire book is full of trash, so the mud showing holds weight here.

There is plenty to consider here. Doomsday has various eras of the iteration of the character and people absolutely cite "Dos" Doomsday as an indicator of which timeframe of the character they are referencing. It is not as far as I've ever seen, a reference to the idea that every event and character in said event, exists inside a vacuum for the purposes of the thread... I've *never* seen that...

Doomsday "being trapped by mud" is literally inconclusive. All we saw was Supes drive Doomsday into the silt then take off, we have no idea what Doomsday was doing in the mean time or even if he was trapped... We *did* infact see Doomsday literally leap/fly up through the ground in a relative instant despite being entombed "deep" underground which implies a 20 meter wall of earth to the surface at a minimum... So *if* Doomsday was indeed stuck in mud, (which you can't prove beyond Superman's hopes [which were just proven incorrect two pages earlier]), it would indeed be a one off showing...

The mud showing might hold some weight if it was clearly evident and indicative of something... But it's not and it isn't... Your assumptions and lowball beyond that don't hold water. Simple.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes. I did think about that but refrained from mentioning it since it wasn't a prolonged beating, but it still does fit the bill.

We can do this all day, if we really want to.

Prolonged beating... how about Avengers #275 and #276, then? 🙂

@Dark...

Doomsday is meta tier in DOS and showed nothing beyond that in DOS, Saint.

No, Hulk wasn't holding back in 635 and a truck and diesel doesn't change how powerful he is. We actually have high showings for Greenscar in thar story that gives us an indication of how powerful he is. You're the same guy who used Saitama failing to kill a mosquito as a valid showing for his strength and speed. I can't take you serious because you're a hypocrite, bias, and only use xertain arguments for certain characters. I prefer debating this with Jin

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday wasn't holding back. Pages before that he was killing humans and animals and pages after that he was killing people, twisting their necks and cutting their throats. He was an animal, Hulk is actually being controlled by Banner.

So before Doomsday started literally letting people go and walking away he wasn't letting them go and walking away, so that necessarily means he wasn't letting people go later and walking away, even though we see him letting people go and walking away, specifically starting with Guy Gardner?.... Amazing how convenient that is for you.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We can do this all day, if we really want to.

Prolonged beating... how about Avengers #275 and #276, then? 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even if he was....he's then erroneously applying this limitation to ALL characters in the story. Superman is limited to his DoS feats.

Yup.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So they're herald level in durability.

Molecule Man vs Sentry. Did Sentry beat Full powered Molecule Man or did he beat Molecule Man based entirely from that story. Would love to see what the mods think about this as well.

Originally posted by jinzin
There is plenty to consider here. Doomsday has various eras of the iteration of the character and people absolutely cite "Dos" Doomsday as an indicator of which timeframe of the character they are referencing. It is not as far as I've ever seen, a reference to the idea that every event and character in said event, exists inside a vacuum for the purposes of the thread... I've *never* seen that...

Doomsday "being trapped by mud" is literally inconclusive. All we saw was Supes drive Doomsday into the silt then take off, we have no idea what Doomsday was doing in the mean time or even if he was trapped... We *did* infact see Doomsday literally leap/fly up through the ground in a relative instant despite being entombed "deep" underground which implies a 20 meter wall of earth to the surface at a minimum... So *if* Doomsday was indeed stuck in mud, (which you can't prove beyond Superman's hopes [which were just proven incorrect two pages earlier]), it would indeed be a one off showing...

The mud showing might hold some weight if it was clearly evident and indicative of something... But it's not and it isn't... Your assumptions and lowball beyond that don't hold water. Simple.

Superman mentions before dropping him there that he's hoping it would trap him for a few minutes (the mud)

Originally posted by jinzin
Web of Spidey 69. Knock yourself out... "Hulk Smash!"... Yeah, he was clearly holding back... But wait, even if that's the case doesn't that not matter? Because several people made a sound argument about how and why Doomsday was likely holding back and I even referenced multiple occasions where that was objectively proven to be the case to some degree and you did not care...

And what do low showings matter? You arbitrarily decided Doomsday is "trash" based on what is either cis or moments of low showings despite his highs.. O_o

Owned that as a kid, almost cut myself when I learned it was worth some money.

Because preserving comics wasn't really a thing until the boom hit, usually just tossed them in a cabinet somewhere.

Originally posted by jinzin
So before Doomsday started literally letting people go and walking away he wasn't letting them go and walking away, so that necessarily means he wasn't letting people go later and walking away, even though we see him letting people go and walking away, specifically starting with Guy Gardner?.... Amazing how convenient that is for you.

Letting? Answer this. Doomaday pounded on Booster Gold who had no shields for 9 panels...

https://ibb.co/NWh0M0D
https://ibb.co/GkskxWc

5 panels for Blue Beetle...

https://ibb.co/DbvzH5f

But it took one kick during Supes and Doomy first encounter to temporarily drop Supes...

https://ibb.co/R9Tn4L6

Why

Originally posted by carver9
Superman mentions before dropping him there that he's hoping it would drop him for a few minutes.

And flies away before he, or we, see what actually happens.

This is an issue before Superman recognizes that there's no pattern to Doomsday's movements and he just goes from place to place before wrecking the next thing that catches his eye... So, how do you know what Doomsday was doing? How do you know Doomsday got stuck? How do you know Doomsday didn't immediately get out of the silt and then survey the bottom of the lake before deciding to spring out of the water the same we he looked around after throwing a car into the sky? The same way he stopped to watch a wrestling commerical? The same way he stood around to let wildlife come up to him?

You don't... And you're relying on Superman's hopes and dreams, who just witnessed the entire League get decimated pages beforehand and still hoped one of them might be able to save the family in the burining house despite the obvious, which he actually saw...

Originally posted by cdtm
Owned that as a kid, almost cut myself when I learned it was worth some money.

Because preserving comics wasn't really a thing until the boom hit, usually just tossed them in a cabinet somewhere.

Is it? I had no idea.

Originally posted by jinzin
And flies away before he, or we, see what actually happens.

This is an issue before Superman recognizes that there's no pattern to Doomsday's movements and he just goes from place to place before wrecking the next thing that catches his eye... So, how do you know what Doomsday was doing? How do you know Doomsday got stuck? How do you know Doomsday didn't immediately get out of the silt and then survey the bottom of the lake before deciding to spring out of the water the same we he looked around after throwing a car into the sky? The same way he stopped to watch a wrestling commerical? The same way he stood around to let wildlife come up to him?

You don't... And you're relying on Superman's hopes and dreams, who just witnessed the entire League get decimated pages beforehand and still hoped one of them might be able to save the family in the burining house despite the obvious, which he actually saw...

This is an excuse. Superman and the Justice League knew his power level. They even mentioned it. Doomsday was always on the move, so him being down there for that long is a TERRIBLE showing. No way around this.

Originally posted by carver9
Letting? Answer this. Doomaday pounded on Booster Gold who had no shields for 9 panels...

https://ibb.co/NWh0M0D
https://ibb.co/GkskxWc

5 panels for Blue Beetle...

https://ibb.co/DbvzH5f

But it took one kick during Supes and Doomy first encounter to temporarily drop Supes...

https://ibb.co/R9Tn4L6

Why

Booster and Beetle are heralds. Simple as. We go solely by their DoS appearances, yes?

And I am not only going by the truck showing.

Monica Rappacini wasn't hurt. At all. No way around that.

Here she is, tanking 4 AMPED Hulks fighting, going insane with power, not holding back:

Ignore the red circles, I was too lazy to edit them lol.

We have a clear indication on how powerful Hulk is throughout WWH and Heart of Monster. We don't have the same for Doomsday (or the characters in the story) since the book didn't consist of any high, medium or average showings. The entire book was trash. So again, you can nitpick all you want but Hulk even before going WB was leveling cities just by punching someone in the face and shaking a planet. Even at his weakest he was pulling a planet together. Doomsday highest showing in DOS is taking out a Superman who got koed and had jelly legs from pillars falling on him and being kicked at him alongside getting koed by gas station explosions. Did Sentry kill full powered Molecule Man? Yes or no

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark.. I can't take you serious because you're a hypocrite, bias, and only use xertain arguments for certain characters. I prefer debating this with Jin

Also, this.

Originally posted by carver9
We have a clear indication on how powerful Hulk is throughout WWH and Heart of Monster. We don't have the same for Doomsday (or the characters in the story) since the book didn't consist of any high, medium or average showings. The entire book was trash. So again, you can nitpick all you want but Hulk even before going WB was leveling cities just by punching someone in the face and shaking a planet. Even at his weakest he was pulling a planet together. Doomsday highest showing in DOS is taking out a Superman who got koed and had jelly legs from pillars falling on him and being kicked at him alongside getting koed by gas station explosions. Did Sentry kill full powered Molecule Man? Yes or no

Not my point, and you know it.

What level is Monica Rappacini at? It's a very simple question, and why is it different from Blue Beetle/Booster Gold et al?

DoS Doomsday took out Superman - and whilst you want to say that it's 'a' Superman, like you admitted, there is no canon reason why he was weakened or had 'meta tier' showings. We don't limit OTHER characters in the book, which is what you are having trouble understanding.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not my point, and you know it.

What level is Monica Rappacini at? It's a very simple question, and why is it different from Blue Beetle/Booster Gold et al?

DoS Doomsday took out Superman - and whilst you want to say that it's 'a' Superman, like you admitted, there is no canon reason why he was weakened or had 'meta tier' showings. We don't limit OTHER characters in the book, which is what you are having trouble understanding.

Why don't we consider Sentry killing Molecule Man a full powered Molecule Man showing? Explain please.