Originally posted by FrothByte
That said, after the events of Endgame and Love & Thunder, I'm now no longer convinced that Thor is still at his peak. That brings him down in my ratings and I'm putting Superman above him. Had this been Thor as of IW I would have place him on top.
Supermans speed as of JL was a bit too much, so even though Thor has shown greater durability in IW, Ive always places him above Thor since JL tbh.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Supermans speed as of JL was a bit too much, so even though Thor has shown greater durability in IW, Ive always places him above Thor since JL tbh.
What made me place Thor above Superman as of Ragnarok and IW was because Thor was capable of cloaking himself in lightning that seemed to easily attack anyone who came close.
That, and Superman's apparent difficulties in tanking energy-based attacks. So no matter how fast Superman was, he wasn't going to be able to get close to Thor without getting zapped and at least staggered.
But as of Endgame and L&T, that lightning cloak seems to have completely disappeared which is why I'm putting Superman above Thor now.
Originally posted by Robtard
Superman (DCEU)
Thor
Vision
Wonder Woman
Ikaris
HomelanderThought I could potentially flip WW and Ikaris around.
Agreed with WW and Ikaris. WW has better speed feats but she doesn't have any feats of beating up a bunch of superpowered beings like Ikaris did to the rest of the Eternals.
Originally posted by FrothByte
What made me place Thor above Superman as of Ragnarok and IW was because Thor was capable of cloaking himself in lightning that seemed to easily attack anyone who came close.
Thought of that, but didnt really see it in action enough. Like how powerful was the cloak?
That said, I never thought Wonder Woman with her speed would pose too much of a problem.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Quote?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/cnd5zv/thor_was_at_his_peak_during_the_final_fight/
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay, passed out in under a minute, still means he tanked it for a good 20seconds:^ He starts taking it at 0:45 and passes out at 1:30. Hes screaming to carry on at 1:15. So yeah can say he tanked it for a good 20-30seconds.
It was clearly a small star. Ill give you that. But Eitri confirmed he took the full force of a star. Eitri is a pretty reliable source.
"Tanking" means withstanding something without damage. Thor was hurt badly. It's more accurate to say Thor took it for a bit before dying (Stormbreaker had to revive him).
How can it be the "full force" of a star (whatever that means) when the star was dim when Thor arrived?
Anyway, a nuke explosion is around 100,000,000° Celsius, so Superman still wins this.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Pretty sure Eitri said it was for a couple of minutes. That's still better than anythinh Superman has withstood.
Based on what? The heat of a nuclear explosion is around 100,000,000° Celsius, while neutron stars obsereved in the real world are around 600,000-700,000° Celsius.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Directly from the directors AMA.https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/cnd5zv/thor_was_at_his_peak_during_the_final_fight/
I thought you meant a quote that he didnt take the force of a star.
Regardless thats not the most convincing medium for a quote.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Agreed with WW and Ikaris. WW has better speed feats but she doesn't have any feats of beating up a bunch of superpowered beings like Ikaris did to the rest of the Eternals.
Fair enough, I can see it going either way.
WW did hold her own against Steppenwolf for a bit, both the normal and Synder's better version.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thought of that, but didnt really see it in action enough. Like how powerful was the cloak?That said, I never thought Wonder Woman with her speed would pose too much of a problem.
Powerful enough to one-shot necro Asgardians. Besides, Superman got stunned by a blast from Zod's ship and its not like that ship had better feats than Thor's lightning. Superman also got staggered by Cyborg's blast and that also didn't have better feats than Thor's lightning.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Based on what? The heat of a nuclear explosion is around 100,000,000° Celsius, while neutron stars obsereved in the real world are around 600,000-700,000° Celsius.
Based on the fact that Thor was able to tank it for a number of minutes and still remain functioning. Superman never tanked anything that powerful and still remained conscious.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Powerful enough to one-shot necro Asgardians.
Exactly thats not an Uber showing. As those necro Asgardians we’re generally taken out quite easily.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Besides, Superman got stunned by a blast from Zod's ship and its not like that ship had better feats than Thor's lightning. Superman also got staggered by Cyborg's blast and that also didn't have better feats than Thor's lightning.
Of course. Just dont think his lightning-cloak has the best feats either.
Id also rank MOS Supermam as his least powerful incarnation. Id take Thor over him or even BvS Superman for sure. JL just switched the scales for me personally.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Powerful enough to one-shot necro Asgardians. Besides, Superman got stunned by a blast from Zod's ship and its not like that ship had better feats than Thor's lightning. Superman also got staggered by Cyborg's blast and that also didn't have better feats than Thor's lightning.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
I thought you meant a quote that he didnt take the force of a star.Regardless thats not the most convincing medium for a quote.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Based on the fact that Thor was able to tank it for a number of minutes and still remain functioning. Superman never tanked anything that powerful and still remained conscious.
Ah, so we're still pretending that literally dying is tanking now?
Also, I don't know how you passed even primary school math, but 100,000,000° is a little over 142 times HOTTER than 700,000°. Ergo, Superman survived something that is over 140 times more powerful than the star, which nearly killed Thor in under a minute. And that's without factoring in the kinetic power of the nuke or the radiation.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhy not? The director stated Endgame Thor was the strongest.
If Im to believe that reddit.
But either way it's not up to them. The canon shows Thor getting back into physical shape after Endgame.
Feige also stated Wanda was > Thanos after Russos in the previous film stated Thanos was the greatest warrior in the Galaxy.
Russos also said Hulk's arm was damaged permanently.
So their word clearly isn't final canon.