Originally posted by Darth Thor
If Im to believe that reddit.But either way it's not up to them. The canon shows Thor getting back into physical shape after Endgame.
Feige also stated Wanda was > Thanos after Russos in the previous film stated Thanos was the greatest warrior in the Galaxy.
Russos also said Hulk's arm was damaged permanently.
So their word clearly isn't final canon.
Strawman logic.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Exactly thats not an Uber showing. As those necro Asgardians we’re generally taken out quite easily.Of course. Just dont think his lightning-cloak has the best feats either.
Id also rank MOS Supermam as his least powerful incarnation. Id take Thor over him or even BvS Superman for sure. JL just switched the scales for me personally.
There's no reason to think Thor's lightning cloak is a massively weaker than his regular lightning. It's not like it's a completely different form of energy.
And in any case, I'm not saying it will oneshot Superman, I'm saying it will stagger him enough that he can't just blitz Thor. Superman has zero feats to indicate he can just walk through Thor's lighning without missing a beat.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There's no reason to think Thor's lightning cloak is a massively weaker than his regular lightning. It's not like it's a completely different form of energy.And in any case, I'm not saying it will oneshot Superman, I'm saying it will stagger him enough that he can't just blitz Thor. Superman has zero feats to indicate he can just walk through Thor's lighning without missing a beat.
Oh I think lightning blasts would effect Supes for sure. And I agree it would somewhat negate Supes speed.
Its just on top of his strength feats, and the sheer level of speed he displayed, I just feel it adds up.
I mean id rate JL Superman comfortably above Thanos tbh.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh I think lightning blasts would effect Supes for sure. And I agree it would somewhat negate Supes speed.Its just on top of his strength feats, and the sheer level of speed he displayed, I just feel it adds up.
I mean id rate JL Superman comfortably above Thanos tbh.
Thanos, without the IG, is honestly way below Thor at full power. At least if the writers were consistent with powerlevels.
He's basically a skilled Hulk... which is pretty one-dimensional compared to some of the other heavy-hitters among cbms.
As for Superman and Thor, again I'm not saying Thor's lightning cloak alone defeats Superman, simply that it negates Superman from being able to speedblitz Thor.
And while I agree that Superman's strength, speed and durability add up, the same thing can be said for Thor.
His better fighting skill, better durability, massively better destructive output all add up. And Superman's only real advantage over him is the speed... which would be negated by his lightning cloak.
But like I said, since the last 2 movies of Thor didn't showcase him using his lightning cloak then I feel it's no longer a leg I can stand on, which is why I now rate Superman above him. I'm simply explaining the logic I had used previously.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thanos, without the IG, is honestly way below Thor at full power. At least if the writers were consistent with powerlevels.
Agree it makes no sense. And this seemed to be the case at the end of IW, but like you said Endgame onwards showed something very different (although I thought he was pretty fast in that opening battle in L&T).
That Endgame fight just made no sense at all. Think weve discussed this before, but at least show Thor attempt to blast Thanos from a distance, but he either catches/blocks the Stormbreaker throw, or just leaps up to close the distance.
And We even know Thors lightning can stagger Thanos.
So Thor fought like a moron in that fight (a Thor which according to Abhis quote was stronger than ever facepalm)
Originally posted by Psychotron
Ah, so we're still pretending that literally dying is tanking now?Also, I don't know how you passed even primary school math, but 100,000,000° is a little over 142 times HOTTER than 700,000°. Ergo, Superman survived something that is over 140 times more powerful than the star, which nearly killed Thor in under a minute. And that's without factoring in the kinetic power of the nuke or the radiation.
Plus Thor was dealing with the heat of a nuwtron star, which is 999,982.2222 degrees celcius compared to a nukes 7,700 degrees celcius
And he wasn’t just dealing with heat he was dealing with the energy of it.
Yeah, good luck avoiding being burned by the flames of a nuke, friend. And you're conveniently forgetting the shock wave and radiation that Superman had to take on top of it. Also, your numbers are wrong. You're using estimates about the heat of the Heroshima fireball, which is far less powerful than modern nuclear bombs. The heat of a nuke is estimated to be anywhere between 100,000,000° and 300,000,000° which is significantly more than a neutron star, especially a dead one, like the one in IW.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The lightning cloak, which never hurt anyone above fodder level and Thor never even used outside of the last 10 minutes of one movie, is going to beat Superman? There's Marvel fanboyism, and then there's straight up delusion.
There's DC fanboyism, and then there's people who just have reading and comprehension problems.
Nowhere did I say Thor's lightning cloak alone would defeat Superman.
He also cloaks with a multi-directional blast when he enters Wakanda:
Bad ass moment.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, good luck avoiding being burned by the flames of a nuke, friend. And you're conveniently forgetting the shock wave and radiation that Superman had to take on top of it. Also, your numbers are wrong. You're using estimates about the heat of the Heroshima fireball, which is far less powerful than modern nuclear bombs. The heat of a nuke is estimated to be anywhere between 100,000,000° and 300,000,000° which is significantly more than a neutron star, especially a dead one, like the one in IW.
Even regular humans can survive lighting, which has a temperature 5 times that of the surface of the sun. And the reason they survive the heat is because it last for such little time.
So, Thor surviving heat, for over 40 times longer and only 3 times less heat, would be way more impressive
The shockwave is powerful, but honestly is a lot less powerful than than the sokovia explosion, that thor was at the center of. It started from him then moved down to Ironman
Since the nuke was only 300 kilotons,
Originally posted by FrothByte
There's DC fanboyism, and then there's people who just have reading and comprehension problems.Nowhere did I say Thor's lightning cloak alone would defeat Superman.
I hate capeshit regardless of the brand so I am objective. As far as I'm concerned, the MCU has managed to produce only one good movie (Iron Man) and DC hasn't done any better.
That's pretty much what you said, though. That Thor's lightning would be a hard counter to Superman's speed.
Originally posted by Guestdude
Yeah, still it only last for a fraction of a second, compared to Thor lasting 40, and since the difference isn’t even that great, i surviving a nuke is not Better than the neutron star featEven regular humans can survive lighting, which has a temperature 5 times that of the surface of the sun. And the reason they survive the heat is because it last for such little time.
So, Thor surviving heat, for over 40 times longer and only 3 times less heat, would be way more impressive
The shockwave is powerful, but honestly is a lot less powerful than than the sokovia explosion, that thor was at the center of. It started from him then moved down to Ironman
Since the nuke was only 300 kilotons,
A difference of 142+ times isn't that great? How many times did you flunk math? And that's only the differnece of heat energy. The nuke also creates a powerful shockwave and releases radiation.
Lol. Please tell me you didn't compare getting hit by lightning to getting hit by a nuke.
Great, but since the shokewave was moving down, it's not that impressive. Thor has been knocked out by a taser in Ragnarok and was effortlessly stabbed by Loki, while Superman casually tanked Steppenwolf's axe.
Originally posted by Psychotron
while Superman casually tanked Steppenwolf's axe.
Not actually canon.
Originally posted by Psychotron
He gets stronger since he's, you know, solar-powered.
Whys that more of an excuse when Thor was literally revived by his own power?
Originally posted by Psychotron
The nuke also creates a powerful shockwave
Has zero force on space.
Oh, my bad point still stands though. It might be over a 100 times hotter. But Thor had to deal with the stars heat for a over 1000 times longer.
Not comparing how powerful a nuke is to lightning only how much time affects object abilities to withstand heat. Nukes don’t retain the highest amount of heat for a long time. It’s a fraction of a second
According to an article, it only spends a millionth of a second at that temperature, then cools rapidly.
If we were comparing piercings durability that would matter, but we aren’t. And that’s more of a feat for the obedience disk than an anti feat for Thor. And the shockwave starts from Thor, and is an Omni directional explosion. so he took the full blast, so it’s directly comparable to what Superman took. But what Thor took was way more impressive. Because it can take out much more area than a nuke of that yield.