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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not actually canon.

Whys that more of an excuse when Thor was literally revived by his own power?

Has zero force on space.

Fine. Thor still got easily stabbed by Loki, however. We also saw him hide from machine gun fire in Avengers.

Stormbringer is not his own power, though.

True. I forgot about that. But the radiation is more intense because of the lack of atmosphere.

Originally posted by Guestdude
Oh, my bad point still stands though. It might be over a 100 times hotter. But Thor had to deal with the stars heat for a over 1000 times longer.

Not comparing how powerful a nuke is to lightning only how much time affects object abilities to withstand heat. Nukes don’t retain the highest amount of heat for a long time. It’s a fraction of a second
According to an article, it only spends a millionth of a second at that temperature, then cools rapidly.

If we were comparing piercings durability that would matter, but we aren’t. And that’s more of a feat for the obedience disk than an anti feat for Thor. And the shockwave starts from Thor, and is an Omni directional explosion. so he took the full blast, so it’s directly comparable to what Superman took. But what Thor took was way more impressive. Because it can take out much more area than a nuke of that yield.

Mate, it doesn't matter. Do you understand how hot 100,000,000+ degrees is? And that's lowballing the nuke and highballing the neutron star's temperatures btw. Nukes can go up to 300,000,000 degrees, while the neutron star was cold, so it was probably nowhere near a regular neutron star when Thor re-activated the forge.

That fraction of a second is enough to vaporize anything on Earth. We're talking about temperatures greater than that of the core of our sun.

Oh, okay. So any time something hurts Thor, it's not a bad feat for him, it's a good feat for the other thing. Very unbiased.

Do you know how hot 670,000 degrees celcius is? And that’s just the average temperature of one that’s not high balling anything.

I feel like you aren’t getting it.

It can vaporize anything on earth sure in a millionth of a second, it’s still not as impressive as enduring the temperature of a nuetron star for over a million times longer of a duration.

That’s why the lightning example is so important ,
humans can be turned to dust at temperatures far below that of the sun if they are exposed long enough.but the same human will only expire once minor burns form a lightning strike that’s over 5 times the temperature of the sun.

I get the nuke gets very hot, but you aren’t factoring in the amount of time Superman is exposed to those temperatures, that makes the feat much less impressive, no living being could survive that in the real world. But compared to thors feat it’s not that great.

And your last point is silly, it would be one thing if it was a bullet. Something with a real world equivalent to base something on

But it’s an alien obedience disk that can hold people like the hulk.
It would be like saying Superman being hurt by doomsday is an anti feat for him.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Fine. Thor still got easily stabbed by Loki, however. We also saw him hide from machine gun fire in Avengers.

In all fairness, Loki was shown to be not affected at all by machine gun fire earlier in the same movie. The jet probably had .50 caliber guns, but the Hulk was nothing more than annoyed by them. My point is, Thor would have been fine, but why get hit if you dont have to? Associate it as the same with a bee sting. A human will be fine, but tries to avoid them because they sting and are annoying.

I just wouldnt put much stock in the machine gun argument.

Same with being stabbed by Loki. Why is that a low feat? Loki is an Asgardian and i'm sure the small blade he used wasnt your common kitchen knife.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman

Long gap

Thor/Wonder Woman
Ikaris
Vision
Homelander
😂

Only in your delusions MCU Thor is more powerful than DCEU Superman.

I don’t understand why you all rate Superman so highly. Other than speed, his feats aren’t even that good. His durability and power output, aren’t even close to Thor’s.

Originally posted by tkitna
In all fairness, Loki was shown to be not affected at all by machine gun fire earlier in the same movie. The jet probably had .50 caliber guns, but the Hulk was nothing more than annoyed by them. My point is, Thor would have been fine, but why get hit if you dont have to? Associate it as the same with a bee sting. A human will be fine, but tries to avoid them because they sting and are annoying.

I just wouldnt put much stock in the machine gun argument.

Same with being stabbed by Loki. Why is that a low feat? Loki is an Asgardian and i'm sure the small blade he used wasnt your common kitchen knife.

Forget bee stings, just think about rain. Humans can't be hurt by rain but it still doesn't stop us from avoiding it.

He was also new to the Earth so had no clue. Unlike Wonder Woman who actively blocked them long after living with men.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay, passed out in under a minute, still means he tanked it for a good 20seconds:

https://youtu.be/6a1wO2p6Kio

^ He starts taking it at 0:45 and passes out at 1:30. Hes screaming to carry on at 1:15. So yeah can say he tanked it for a good 20-30seconds.

It was clearly a small star. Ill give you that. But Eitri confirmed he took the full force of a star. Eitri is a pretty reliable source.

Originally posted by tkitna
In all fairness, Loki was shown to be not affected at all by machine gun fire earlier in the same movie. The jet probably had .50 caliber guns, but the Hulk was nothing more than annoyed by them. My point is, Thor would have been fine, but why get hit if you dont have to? Associate it as the same with a bee sting. A human will be fine, but tries to avoid them because they sting and are annoying.

I just wouldnt put much stock in the machine gun argument.

Same with being stabbed by Loki. Why is that a low feat? Loki is an Asgardian and i'm sure the small blade he used wasnt your common kitchen knife.

If the writer believed that Thor would have been fine then he wouldn't have wrote Thor fleeing to avoid them. He would have either had said bullets miss Thor or said bullets strike Thor with little wear.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was also new to the Earth so had no clue. Unlike Wonder Woman who actively blocked them long after living with men.

You are assuming that these characters are real and were thinking such things. They are actors and wasn't thinking of anything you are talking about. The only truth is in the mind of the writer (his intent). Which is clear.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I don’t understand why you all rate Superman so highly. Other than speed, his feats aren’t even that good. His durability and power output, aren’t even close to Thor’s.

Speed is the most unfair advantage. It can be the equivalent of stopping time before your opponent makes an action. That alone puts Superman far above Thor.

With that said, you need to watch the films again. Superman is significantly stronger and more durable than Thor. Thor never output more power than it took to move tectonic plates or tow ships weighing tens of thousands of tons (with no effort).
Superman's HV is so potent that it cut an Ibeam in half while Zod was in mid swing with it.

Originally posted by h1a8
That wasn't the writers intent. The intent was Thor would have been seriously injured or killed if such bullets hit him.

If the writer believed that Thor would have been fine then he wouldn't have wrote Thor fleeing to avoid them. He would have either had said bullets miss Thor or said bullets strike Thor with little wear.

How in the hell do you know that? Your full of crap. Thor has withstood a lot more than earth bound .50 caliber rounds. He would have been fine just like the Hulk was fine.

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed is the most unfair advantage. It can be the equivalent of stopping time before your opponent makes an action. That alone puts Superman far above Thor.

With that said, you need to watch the films again. Superman is significantly stronger and more durable than Thor. Thor never output more power than it took to move tectonic plates or tow ships weighing tens of thousands of tons (with no effort).
Superman's HV is so potent that it cut an Ibeam in half while Zod was in mid swing with it.

The stat difference is like this

Lifting strength: Superman

Durability: Thor

Combat Speed: Superman

Flight speed: toss up, ( Thor can search the entire earth twice in a night. Superman is probably light speed

Attack power: Thor , all of Superman best attack power feats are close to or exceeded by thors. The world engine feat matched by Thor breaking the bridge and enduring the force,

Zod and Clark clash, seems comparable to Thor hitting malekith or captain America’s shield

Originally posted by tkitna
How in the hell do you know that? Your full of crap. Thor has withstood a lot more than earth bound .50 caliber rounds. He would have been fine just like the Hulk was fine.

Originally posted by Guestdude
Well, he wasn’t just enduring the stars heat, he was dealing with the stars energy. Because it’s a dyson sphere, which are built to harness a stars energy, and he’s supposed to e taking the full force of it.
And the energy it was outputting is more than the energy it would take to move a tectonic plate.

The stat difference is like this

Lifting strength: Superman

Durability: Thor

Combat Speed: Superman

Flight speed: toss up, ( Thor can search the entire earth twice in a night. Superman is probably light speed

Attack power: Thor , all of Superman best attack power feats are close to or exceeded by thors. The world engine feat matched by Thor breaking the bridge and enduring the force,

Zod and Clark clash, seems comparable to Thor hitting malekith or captain America’s shield

Energy from radiation and heat has nothing to do other types of durability.
Man can make heat and radiation resistant materials, but said materials are not resistant against bullets and cutting forces.
Thor still can be stabbed, made to bleed by punches, etc.
The heat from a nuke surpasses that of a neutron star.

I know your argument stems from the length of exposure. But that argument is flawed. For example, I can keep my hand in 70 degree celesius water for days without any damage. Raise the temperature just 30 degrees and my hand will be damaged in a few seconds.

Hundreds of millions of degrees vs hundreds of thousands of degrees is more than 2 magnitudes greater.
If Superman can survive a few seconds under a nuke then he can survive for days with the temperature of that Neutron star.

Originally posted by Guestdude
Well, he wasn’t just enduring the stars heat, he was dealing with the stars energy. Because it’s a dyson sphere, which are built to harness a stars energy, and he’s supposed to e taking the full force of it.
And the energy it was outputting is more than the energy it would take to move a tectonic plate.

The stat difference is like this

Lifting strength: Superman

Durability: Thor

Combat Speed: Superman

Flight speed: toss up, ( Thor can search the entire earth twice in a night. Superman is probably light speed

Attack power: Thor , all of Superman best attack power feats are close to or exceeded by thors. The world engine feat matched by Thor breaking the bridge and enduring the force,

Zod and Clark clash, seems comparable to Thor hitting malekith or captain America’s shield

Originally posted by h1a8
Energy from radiation and heat has nothing to do other types of durability.
Man can make heat and radiation resistant materials, but said materials are not resistant against bullets and cutting forces.
Thor still can be stabbed, made to bleed by punches, etc.
The heat from a nuke surpasses that of a neutron star.

I know your argument stems from the length of exposure. But that argument is flawed. For example, I can keep my hand in 70 degree celesius water for days without any damage. Raise the temperature just 30 degrees and my hand will be damaged in a few seconds.

Hundreds of millions of degrees vs hundreds of thousands of degrees is more than 2 magnitudes greater.
If Superman can survive a few seconds under a nuke then he can survive for days with the temperature of that Neutron star.

Humans can deal with the heat of lightning thays 5 times hotter than of the sun because of how short of a duration it is.

Superman is only being exposed for a millionth of a second. The nuke doesnt retain that heat the entire time. He isn’t dealing with that heat for even a second.
That’s why thors feat is better

Energy durability isn’t different than physical durability, heat wise sure, but it wasn’t pure heat, it was an enrgy beam. And the enegrgy required to withstand the beam is above what’s required to move a tectonic plate.

Other characters beign able to hurt him, just makes them strong. Same thing with Superman, other characters being Able to compete doesn’t bring him down.

Lifting strength isn’t comparable to attack power, in terms of how hard they hit, Thor is superior, but if they grapple, Superman woudl win.

You mentioned Superman moving a ship, easily matched by Thor moving nidivaliiers rings,

Originally posted by h1a8
Energy from radiation and heat has nothing to do other types of durability.
Man can make heat and radiation resistant materials, but said materials are not resistant against bullets and cutting forces.
Thor still can be stabbed, made to bleed by punches, etc.
The heat from a nuke surpasses that of a neutron star.

I know your argument stems from the length of exposure. But that argument is flawed. For example, I can keep my hand in 70 degree celesius water for days without any damage. Raise the temperature just 30 degrees and my hand will be damaged in a few seconds.

Hundreds of millions of degrees vs hundreds of thousands of degrees is more than 2 magnitudes greater.
If Superman can survive a few seconds under a nuke then he can survive for days with the temperature of that Neutron star.

Originally posted by Guestdude
Your example of the heat argument being flawed doesn’t work.
Like I’ve always demonstrated, that sometimes hundreds of times hotter than a 70 degrees celcius won’t severely burn a person if they are exposed for a short enough time period

Humans can deal with the heat of lightning thays 5 times hotter than of the sun because of how short of a duration it is.

Superman is only being exposed for a millionth of a second. The nuke doesnt retain that heat the entire time. He isn’t dealing with that heat for even a second.
That’s why thors feat is better

Energy durability isn’t different than physical durability, heat wise sure, but it wasn’t pure heat, it was an enrgy beam. And the enegrgy required to withstand the beam is above what’s required to move a tectonic plate.

Other characters beign able to hurt him, just makes them strong. Same thing with Superman, other characters being Able to compete doesn’t bring him down.

Lifting strength isn’t comparable to attack power, in terms of how hard they hit, Thor is superior, but if they grapple, Superman woudl win.

You mentioned Superman moving a ship, easily matched by Thor moving nidivaliiers rings,

The heat and radiation from the 2nd pulse of a nuke lasts for many seconds. Where do you get this millionth of a second crap from? Plus 99 percent of all the thermal energy is in the 2nd pulse. If that was the case (a millionth of a second) then a nuke wouldn't do shit to ANYTHING. Think about it.

Minimum punching power is highly correlated to strength.
For example, if you can exert 100lbs of force with a push of your arm then your punching power is at least 100lbs (you can't punch below that when using all your might).

The reason a power lifter can't punch harder than say a professional heavyweight boxer is because he can't exert much force above his strength as the boxer can due to lack of skill and other things. For example, if power lifter can exert 400lb of force with an arm push then he can punch with probably 500lb of force. Whereas the boxer can exert 200lb of force with arm push but punch with 700lb of force. The key is pushing force proves minimal punching force, not maximal.

Lastly, let's compare striking feats. What's Thor best quantifiable striking feat?

Originally posted by h1a8
The heat and radiation from the 2nd pulse of a nuke lasts for many seconds. Where do you get this millionth of a second crap from? Plus 99 percent of all the thermal energy is in the 2nd pulse. If that was the case (a millionth of a second) then a nuke wouldn't do shit to ANYTHING. Think about it.

Minimum punching power is highly correlated to strength.
For example, if you can exert 100lbs of force with a push of your arm then your punching power is at least 100lbs (you can't punch below that when using all your might).

The reason a power lifter can't punch harder than say a professional heavyweight boxer is because he can't exert much force above his strength as the boxer can due to lack of skill and other things. For example, if power lifter can exert 400lb of force with an arm push then he can punch with probably 500lb of force. Whereas the boxer can exert 200lb of force with arm push but punch with 700lb of force. The key is pushing force proves minimal punching force, not maximal.

Lastly, let's compare striking feats. What's Thor best quantifiable striking feat?

But it is not 100 million degrees celcius for longer than a millionth of a second. It immediately cools down after it reaches this temp

“The hottest part of any explosion occurs in the initial stages”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/03/28/ask-ethan-how-can-a-nuclear-bomb-be-hotter-than-the-center-of-our-sun/?sh=40174c56460b

In fiction, lifting strength is never the same as striking, Batman can’t lift a car, but he could punch someone though a brick wall.

So, we need to compare Superman’s attack power to thors, not his lifting strength

Best quantifiable attack for Thor is probably, the jotunheim bolt, when he sent a shockwave la hundred times larger than the Grand Canyon.

A lower end feat would probably be his shockwave he created when attacking malekith or Thor.

H1 with his interpretation of writer's intent can be hilariously flawed 😂