Originally posted by Bentley
I blame old comicbook readers from not becoming fans of woke teenager angst and shitty dialogue in their late years, imagine how bigger the industry would grow if you guys got more confused about your identities *shrugs*
Ironically after having grown up on soap opera and Tween style Xmen stories, such as Wolverine and random X having pissing contests for literally no reason, or Magneto being "tricked" with sex.
Originally posted by Astnerhe needs to provide evidence to support his viewpoint, claim and prove he is objective, otherwise all I see is an opinion. 🙂
Are you drunk? He made an objective assertion, whether it's objectively right or objectively wrong is beside the point. If you say, "the ball is red," that's not your opinion, it's an objective assertion that can be verified or falsified.That said, he's correct in that Diamond only distributes comics to resellers, and not to the direct market.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
he needs to provide evidence to support his viewpoint, claim and prove he is objective, otherwise all I see is an opinion. 🙂
I don’t know what evidence you are asking for. Do you just not believe that Diamond only sells to retailers and not directly to the public? If so, then I can’t really help you.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
he needs to provide evidence to support his viewpoint, claim and prove he is objective, otherwise all I see is an opinion. 🙂
He can't, because Diamond doesn't release those figures. All we have to go on is the word of comic shop owners, and you can find multiple stories of Diamond bending them over a barrel to boost their own sales.
But again, those are technically just anecdotal.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You guys are arguing the number of titles that are shipped (sold to independent retailers), but the actual numbers those stores sell is in the absolute toilet. The truth is, most retailers have giant piles of unsold comics rotting on their shelves that they are forced to try and sell at a discount.
Yes but then how sustainable is that? Mr Mind is talking about the last ten years; such practices would bankrupt small stores in two. And it's not like Diamond just started doing this.
Guess what I'm saying is, whilst it may be an issue, I really can't see stores sitting on decades of shitty comics in their warehouses whilst selling the odd Batman comic where his suit has nipples on it.
Originally posted by -Pr-If true... is the argument then that Diamond's sales increased in 2021 not because of increased readership, but instead because of new sales practices, presumably because it lost DC in 2020 and now needs to compete?
If the stories are true, they don't really have a choice. Want that limited edition Batman cover? You need to buy 500 copies of x series that nobody ****ing wants.
Originally posted by Khazra RebornOh. I know how Diamond work, I used to get the catalogue, but I don't see comic shops shutting like in the mid 90's.
I don’t know what evidence you are asking for. Do you just not believe that Diamond only sells to retailers and not directly to the public? If so, then I can’t really help you.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but then how sustainable is that? Mr Mind is talking about the last ten years; such practices would bankrupt small stores in two. And it's not like Diamond just started doing this.Guess what I'm saying is, whilst it may be an issue, I really can't see stores sitting on decades of shitty comics in their warehouses whilst selling the odd Batman comic where his suit has nipples on it.
Oh, I was just talking about Diamond being *****.
Comics being worse nowadays isn't due to that so much.
As far as Diamond, it isn't a lot of series. Just enough to be a contributing factor.
Originally posted by Smurph
If true... is the argument then that Diamond's sales increased in 2021 not because of increased readership, but instead because of new sales practices, presumably because it lost DC in 2020 and now needs to compete?
Only partially. They raised their prices both for distribution and for individual units, and there was a surge in people buying collectables in general. At least that's what I read anyway.
Originally posted by Smurph
In my opinion, opinions can be wrong.
Your claim "opinions can be wrong," is an objective assertion. It's objectively wrong, but an objective assertion nonetheless.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
even objective options! True... true.
Originally posted by AstnerExactly, opinions are subjective.
Just because you call your claim an opinion doesn't make it an opinion.Your claim "opinions can be wrong," is an objective assertion. It's objectively wrong, but an objective assertion nonetheless.
There are no objective opinions, opinions are subjective.
Originally posted by -Pr-This is interesting:
Oh, I was just talking about Diamond being *****.Comics being worse nowadays isn't due to that so much.
As far as Diamond, it isn't a lot of series. Just enough to be a contributing factor.
Only partially. They raised their prices both for distribution and for individual units, and there was a surge in people buying collectables in general. At least that's what I read anyway.
https://www.polygon.com/23013512/us-manga-sales-chartbeat-feature-tracking-sales-drama
The report’s author, Brian Hibbs, explains: “In 2021, comics thoroughly exploded in a way that almost defies rationality — not only was raw circulation up by nearly 70% (!), more comics material was sold in 2021 than 2018 and 2019 combined (!!) If we compare the 2021 sales to our first BookScan report in 2003, there’s more than a 558% growth in number of copies sold (!!!). If I didn’t see the numbers written in black & white, I’m not sure I’d even believe it.â€
Hibbs notes that 64% of all sales are of books by just 95 people — but he sees that as a good sign. “This is a vast broadening of the talent pool — in 2020 it was only 51 people, who represented 61% of sales,†Hibbs writes. Some of the most popular creators selling comics and manga right now include Dan Pilkey, creator of the Captain Underpants series; My Hero Academia creator Kohei Horikoshi; authors from the Babysitter’s Club graphic novel adaptations; and YouTuber FGTeeV.
“What you can take from this is that only a tiny number of creators drive the majority of the business in comics (and books in general, as far as I can tell); and conversely, this probably means that the numerical majority of comics aren’t actually significantly profitable any given year.†-snip
Like I "postulated", it may just be guys here are not down with the youf.
Originally posted by AstnerI disagree. I was giving my opinion on the meaning of the word opinion. Facts are facts, sure, but "opinion" has an incredibly broad definition and includes a personal understanding of a given set of facts.
Just because you call your claim an opinion doesn't make it an opinion.Your claim "opinions can be wrong," is an objective assertion. It's objectively wrong, but an objective assertion nonetheless.
There are no objective opinions, opinions are subjective.
Anyways, the reverse is obviously true - just because you call something an objective assertion doesn't make it so. Feel free to try to objectively prove that opinions cannot be wrong.