Originally posted by Smurph
Rejoinder is above. No need to repeat myself.
Originally posted by Smurph
Not in my opinion.
Originally posted by Astner
It's not a matter of opinion.
Originally posted by AstnerI see that you edited this point.
You're using the word "verifiable" equivocally here. Facts can't be wrong, an assessment of a fact can be wrong, so they're not verifiable in the same sense of the word.Since your argument supervenes on this faulty premise there's no need to further address it.
For clarity, in my opinion, there is no equivocation. Facts are verifiable in both senses of the word.
This happened;
Singing used to be a thing in acting. Television and movies were an extension of the roots in the theater, background in the arts mattered!
Until it became about money money money by the pound, and those traditions in the fine arts made way for trash culture, consisting of hacks leading hacks while paying out the ass for bad cgi. Spectacle became the new art, worship of money replaced worship of talent.
The comic industry has a similar pedigree as a staging ground for real artists to showcase their chops, with highly talented writers and artists composing and crafting and sweating through a creative process, which all changed when greedy megacorps swooped in ala Disney, and has been shite ever since.
Say I'm a cynic, ok fine, where is the modern Infinity Gauntlet? Where is our Swamp Thing of this brave new world, or even a Spawn or TMNT?
It's all either homogenous crap now, or Mark Millar style garbage as your alternative. Dystopia or souless rehash, what a choice! Or maybe some political soapboxing to spice it up with "lgbt friendly" comics that all read as if they follow the exact same formula, because they DO, because that's what appealing to a demographic IS. It limits you creatively, expression defined as sales and dollars and buys, and a movie deal at some point.
Cerberus never did that, it could care less what you thought about it. It found its audience through it's sincerity, not because it tailored itself based on some bullshit market analysis.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, I agree with that. I don't think comics are actually "dying" per se. But I do believe there's been a distinct drop in quality in the last decade or so (at the big two at least). And eventually I think that's going to catch up with them.Hell, even the MCU isn't making the same bank it used to.
Yeah, I agree there. I think the boost we're seeing in indie titles reflects that a bit. It's happening slowly, but people are realizing there is more than just Marvel and DC out there. And it's often better material.
Granted, not all of it. The Last Days of American Crime comic kinda sucked. Cool premise though, which made the disappointment sting more.
manga being more popular doesn't make sense
you telling me thor or superman's best stories can't even compete to one piece or naruto？
come on
anime like jujutsu kaisen or my hero academia wouldn't receive such high reception if it's not from japan, marvel and dc regular ongoings have better story telling and dialogue
Originally posted by MrMind
manga being more popular doesn't make senseyou telling me thor or superman's best stories can't even compete to one piece or naruto？
come on
anime like jujutsu kaisen or my hero academia wouldn't receive such high reception if it's not from japan, marvel and dc regular ongoings have better story telling and dialogue
I believe it personally, mangas business model seems to be better.
honestly sjw and lgbtq stuff is only a small part of the decline in the industry
it seems like the best writers in the world nowadays are not comic writers anymore
where's the next johns, morrison, claremont, hickman
comic writers get paid like shit, actors get to be pretty on the screen for a couple minutes in a mcu movie and they get paid way more than the writers spending day and night coming up with original stories, manga writers get paid way more than comics
seriously creativity needs to be valued, not everything should be a business marketing campaign
read this thread and you will see the sales disparity
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/mangas-just-destroyed-comics-2119876/
Originally posted by MrMind
manga being more popular doesn't make senseyou telling me thor or superman's best stories can't even compete to one piece or naruto？
come on
anime like jujutsu kaisen or my hero academia wouldn't receive such high reception if it's not from japan, marvel and dc regular ongoings have better story telling and dialogue
Manga has actual arcs, with characters that grow and change over time.
Unless you like Hajime No Ippo, then you get twenty years of teasing Ippo getting his first kiss on a date only to have the football pulled out from under you like Lucy to Charlie Brown.
All I know is I can legally get shonen jump and read the lastest chapter of One Piece, Hunter X Hunter and My hero academia for free. If I want to read back issues it cost me 2 bucks a month and I get access to thousands of comics. Meanwhile a similar service like Marvel unlimited cost about 8 dollars. Like the video said Comics are too focused on direct market at the exclusion of everything else. Why would I go out my way to buy a floppy for 5 bucks when I can get thousands of comics on my phone for 2 bucks a month?
Originally posted by Classic NES
All I know is I can legally get shonen jump and read the lastest chapter of One Piece, Hunter X Hunter and My hero academia for free. If I want to read back issues it cost me 2 bucks a month and I get access to thousands of comics. Meanwhile a similar service like Marvel unlimited cost about 8 dollars. Like the video said Comics are too focused on direct market at the exclusion of everything else. Why would I go out my way to buy a floppy for 5 bucks when I can get thousands of comics on my phone for 2 bucks a month?
because you are buying quality stories that manga lacks
and you get a physical copy of the issue that can be collectable one day
I don't know about you I like having an actual book on my hand
Originally posted by MrMind
because you are buying quality stories that manga lacksand you get a physical copy of the issue that can be collectable one day
I don't know about you I like having an actual book on my hand
An average floppy is about the same as a tankoubon (graphic novel). I have the option for both at a reasonable price. And, quality is debatable. Things like One Piece or HxH are just as "Quality" as any comic to me and millions of other people.
Originally posted by Classic NES
An average floppy is about the same as a tankoubon (graphic novel). I have the option for both at a reasonable price. And, quality is debatable. Things like One Piece or HxH are just as "Quality" as any comic to me and millions of other people.
Much less stone cold classics like Blade of the Immortal, or Fist of the North Star, or Dragon Ball, or Trigun, or Kenshin, or Toriko, or Ranma 1/2, or Berserk, or Kengan Ashura, or Baki the Grappler...
Don't know what he's smoking if he thinks the average comic is in any way "quality".
Originally posted by MrMind
manga being more popular doesn't make senseyou telling me thor or superman's best stories can't even compete to one piece or naruto？
come on
anime like jujutsu kaisen or my hero academia wouldn't receive such high reception if it's not from japan, marvel and dc regular ongoings have better story telling and dialogue
They really don't in a lot of ways. That's the issue. They should be at the top tier, but the flagship titles largely flounder outside of a few.
Originally posted by Classic NES
An average floppy is about the same as a tankoubon (graphic novel). I have the option for both at a reasonable price. And, quality is debatable. Things like One Piece or HxH are just as "Quality" as any comic to me and millions of other people.
one piece and hxh are for mindless enjoyments, one been dragging on for 20 years, the other writer just stopped writing altogether
people who read one piece in the beginning are in their 30s-40s now and one piece only moved like 3 years in their timeline
good written comics are like literature
give me jason aaron or dan jurgens best thor stories over hxh anyday
Originally posted by MrMind
one piece and hxh are for mindless enjoyments, one been dragging on for 20 years, the other writer just stopped writing altogetherpeople who read one piece in the beginning are in their 30s-40s now and one piece only moved like 3 years in their timeline
good written comics are like literature
give me jason aaron or dan jurgens best thor stories over hxh anyday
Out of all writers you pick Jason Aaron and Dan Jurgans?? 😂
You have to be trolling.
Originally posted by MrMind
one piece and hxh are for mindless enjoyments, one been dragging on for 20 years, the other writer just stopped writing altogetherpeople who read one piece in the beginning are in their 30s-40s now and one piece only moved like 3 years in their timeline
good written comics are like literature
give me jason aaron or dan jurgens best thor stories over hxh anyday
How is that different from comics? I started reading X-Men in 91 it's still going on now. Versus One Piece which is about to end and has only been serialized for 20 years? You seem to have a predisposition and bias for comics which is probably why you don't get it. Manga like Berserk, Grappler Baki and Helsing garner fans because they offer stories that NA comics don't.