Silver Surfer Vs Superman 2022 edition.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
First of all, you said Superman avoided/blocked radiation only until it was too late and he either lost the fight or would've lost if there weren't outside interference and/or convenient lead materials weren't lying around

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So did Superman avoid Conduit's kryptonite radiation after it was too late?

Did... did you not actually read these comics?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Flash tagged by human level opponents also consistently happens in comics....is Flash human level speed IYO?

So....you asked me to provide Superman sees kryptonite raditation and avoids/blocks it. And I provide...I fail to see what I'm failing to provide here?

And you posted specific scans where in each of these three fights, Superman actually lost the fight or would've lost but for outside interference and/or randomly placed lead shielding/mirrors. That doesn't make Superman look good. It makes him look worse.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
First of all, you said Superman avoided/blocked radiation only until it was too late and he either lost the fight or would've lost if there weren't outside interference and/or convenient lead materials weren't lying around

So did Superman avoid Conduit's kryptonite radiation after it was too late?

Flash tagged by human level opponents also consistently happens in comics....is Flash human level speed IYO?

So....you asked me to provide example of Superman sees kryptonite raditation and avoids/blocks it. And I provided...I fail to see what I'm failing to provide here?

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

Why are you showing kryptonite resistance feats? Ask him to prove Surfer can create kryptonite in the first place.

odg ignoring abhi is killing him, abhi just wants some attention

Originally posted by ODG
bro. Umm... no, he didn't? This is exactly what happened right after your chosen scan:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/SupermanvsConduit01.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/SupermanvsConduit02.jpg

Also this is what happened in next issue/right after the scans you posted
https://ibb.co/5nVHJTk
https://ibb.co/yybD40Z
https://ibb.co/nf9Z7zF
https://ibb.co/SmC0r50
https://ibb.co/BPRJQst

Originally posted by ODG
That doesn't happen consistently to Flash, no. The attempt to conflate Flash's career w/ Superman's is like trying to conflate Firelord's career w/ Human Torch's. And I mean, why are you casting aspersions upon me? You're the one who chose to highlight these three fights.

Well, because your intentions look pretty suspicious?

You:"Provided me with Superman avoiding/blocking Kryptonian radiation"
I *provided exactly what you were asking*
You:" These feats aren't impressive because blah blah blah"

I'm wondering why this happened?

Also, yeah, I'm wondering the same thing with Abhi...well, actually, I'm wondering has Surfer ever done this when he faces an opponent as fast and as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

Why are you showing kryptonite resistance feats? Ask him to prove Surfer can create kryptonite in the first place.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So....he saw the kryptonian radiation avoided before it/before it was too late,right?

Also this is what happened in next issue
https://ibb.co/5nVHJTk
https://ibb.co/yybD40Z
https://ibb.co/nf9Z7zF
https://ibb.co/SmC0r50
https://ibb.co/BPRJQst

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You sure about that? Or we can also count how many times Batman performed something herald level feats. Do you think Batman is herald level?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, because your intentions look pretty suspicious?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You:"Provided me with Superman avoiding/blocking Kryptonian radiation"
I *provided exactly what you were asking*
You:" These feats aren't impressive because blah blah blah"

I'm wondering why this happened?

Originally posted by MrMind
odg ignoring abhi is killing him, abhi just wants some attention

just a bunch of people who wanna fight about something

Originally posted by ODG
So he played possum like I predicted, still couldn't even dodge his cables let alone Kryptonite blasts and had to use a conveniently placed running train to drag Conduit away from him? Did you mean to strengthen my criticisms?

Originally posted by ODG
In your scans, not until it was too late and he either lost the fight or would've lost if there weren't outside interference and/or convenient lead materials weren't lying around, sure.

Originally posted by ODG
So you're trying to excuse Superman being severely debilitated by his exploitable weaknesses by appealing to Batman fighting heralds w/o exploitable weaknesses? Son, you're doing it wrong. Your conflation is getting worse. You had better luck trying to act like Superman was the Flash.

Originally posted by ODG
ure, I'm the poster revealing the surrounding context of cherry-picked scans, yet I'm the bad actor. It happened because you didn't think things through and didn't realize you'd be called out on it. /shrug

So is the statement I made not true?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

You:"Provided me with Superman avoiding/blocking Kryptonian radiation"
I *provided exactly what you were asking*
You:" These feats aren't impressive because blah blah blah"

Edit:
Also can you answer this question?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Also, yeah, I'm wondering the same thing with Abhi...well, actually, I'm wondering has Surfer ever done this when he faces an opponent as fast and as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

Why are you showing kryptonite resistance feats? Ask him to prove Surfer can create kryptonite in the first place.

Originally posted by Smurph
that's the energy keeping KMC alive

just a bunch of people who wanna fight about something

it's kinda like phildo and galan-chan ignoring me, just make me more horny

stilt is the only one nobody ignores and he doesn't ignore anybody

stilt is like the center, the essence of kmc, and we just kinda evolve around his gravity

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, I'm specifically asking you about this statement you made and you seem constantly avoiding this question

Tell me, did Superman dodge the blast before it was too late or after it?

You asked about him dodging Conduit's radiation, first. Now your question is about his blast. That's two different questions. Superman dodged Conduit's blast. But as I already responded, Superman failed to dodge Conduit's radiation until it was too late and Kal-El was forced to resort to convenient plot-device train.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So...do you agree that constantly happenning in the comics not euqal to it isn't PIS?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So are the statement I made isn't true?

Originally posted by MrMind
is gnort that dog or squirrel

Originally posted by ODG
I directly answered your question.

You asked about him dodging Conduit's radiation, first. Now your question is about his blast. That's two different questions. Superman dodged Conduit's blast. BUt as I already responded, Superman failed to dodge Conduit's radiation until it was too late

Originally posted by ODG
This isn't English. Seriously, even I cannot deconstruct gibberish.

You assert that Superman can't dodge/block the beams of kryptonite isn't PIS, despite Superman in a weakened state can dodge/block them, because it is constantly happens in comics.

But Flash tagged by human level opponents/Batman performs herald level feats, also constantly happens in comics.

Originally posted by ODG
Y9ou may not believe this but I would plainly say that your quoted post is a resentful misrepresentation of the course of this conversation.

So I made this statement

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't Superman already see and evade/blcok kryptonite radiation coming in the past?

Originally posted by ODG
Even I'm sure he's done it at least 1/100 times but still, I'm interested in an issue #?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Sees kryptonite radiation blast coming and evades it with superspeed. Superman: The Man of Steel 38
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SeesBlast.jpg

Even after being hit with kryptonite by the battle ship powered with nearly all of it from earth, he is still capable of seeing the kryptonite radiation “lance out” towards him and avoid it. Superman Up Up and Away
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/kradiationlance4.jpg

Superman, who was very weakened by kryptonite, moves fast enough to stop the kryptonite in wavelength form, Action Comics 854
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/kryptonitewavelength1.jpg
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/kryptonitewavelength2.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
To be clear, I never doubted Superman could dodge laser beams or reflect laser beams w/ conveniently placed lead-glass surfaces. The latter situation probably not relevant in this thread given most default battlegrounds are featureless landscapes.

But these scenes are less impressive w/ context of the pages just before and after the ones you chose to scan.

In your 1st scan, Superman aim-dodges Conduit's first blast sure... but the next page he starts getting drained when he goes in close. Superman realizes he's made a mistake but still goes on to outright get blasted into the ground to end the issue.

You also reference with the 2nd scan that Superman had been hit by Kryptonite radiation beams (a whole bunch actually) just prior to that scene. And within your own scan Superman gets smashed by a Kryptonite-laced mech physically. Superman is forced to kamikaze torpedo straight through and takes Lex out of the thing but Superman's completely depowered and has to have a H2H fist-fight w/ Luthor on a beach.

Same with the 3rd-4th scans given Superman is still winded from getting his butt handed to him during a previous scuffle where Superman had actually prepped with radiation-proof spray polymer but still ended up succumbing to kryptonite radiation before being saved by Krypto and Jimmy Olsen who leeched the kryptonite radiation out, so... y'know...

I mean... I could post the scans of context but you know the issue #s so you should be well aware. Stick in Silver Surfer where Conduit, Lex w/ Kryptonian ship/mech and Kryptonite Man were. Now leave out the conveniently placed lead items. Remove any helper allies... and the results for Superman would be far worse.

Granted, Superman should likely treat Silver Surfer with more caution than he did those guys but... as I've said before, a normal human can give Superman fits when exploiting his weaknesses. Hand that over to a High Herald of Galactus and it becomes a massive problem.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Also, yeah, I'm wondering the same thing with Abhi...well, actually, I'm wondering has Surfer ever done this when he faces an opponent as fast and as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

Why are you showing kryptonite resistance feats? Ask him to prove Surfer can create kryptonite in the first place.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Where indicates the scan I posted (Superman dodged the blast of Conduit) only happened after it was too late?
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SeesBlast.jpg

Ehhh, then let me put it this way

You assert that Superman can't dodge/block the beams of kryptonite isn't PIS, despite Superman in a weakened state can dodge/block them, because it is constantly happens in comics.

But Flash tagged by human level opponents/Batman performs herald level feats, also constantly happens in comics.

So I made this statement

And then you replied this

And I repllied

And then you replied this.......

Nothing you of what you just posted is worth dignifying with a response because you're not actually arguing with what I posted. Feel free to have an imaginary conversation with your imaginary conception of ODG.

If you want to bear down on what I actually said, let me know.

Otherwise, my simple point stands. I cannot think of too many fights that reflect worse on Superman's ability to fight around Kryptonite radiation than the ones you posted. Because Superman basically lost (or was losing) each of those fights but for randomly placed lead-mirrors, outside interference, plot device trains, etc. Hell, Superman was even prepped w/ anti-Kryptonite measures when he fought (but lost) to Kryptonite Man. Why would you post that fight?

Rhetorical question.

Originally posted by ODG
At best, you're putting words into my mouth. At worst, you're rewriting the course of a simple conversation to avoid direct discussion of my criticisms.

Nothing you of what you just posted is worth dignifying with a response because you're not actually arguing with what I posted. Feel free to have an imaginary conversation with your imaginary conception of ODG.

If you want to bear down on what I actually said, let me know.

Otherwise, my simple point stands. I cannot think of too many fights that reflect worse on Superman's ability to fight around Kryptonite radiation than the ones you posted. Because Superman basically lost (or was losing) each of those fights but for randomly placed lead-mirrors, outside interference, plot device trains. Hell, Superman was even prepped w/ anti-Kryptonite measures when he fought (but lost) to Kryptonite Man. Why would you post that fight?

Rhetorical question.

Originally posted by ODG
In your scans, not until it was too late and he either lost the fight or would've lost if there weren't outside interference and/or convenient lead materials weren't lying around, sure.

And Superman dodged/blcoked them(and this is what your originally asked for) when he was weakened. So again, your intentions are suspicous.........if not outright feel hypocritical

Also again, I'm waiting your answers about this...since you seem to think Surfer possibly can do this

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Also, yeah, I'm wondering the same thing with Abhi...well, actually, I'm wondering has Surfer ever done this when he faces an opponent as fast and as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

Why are you showing kryptonite resistance feats? Ask him to prove Surfer can create kryptonite in the first place.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I guess the guy who claimed Superman only dodged k-blast only when it is too late also is my imagination?

I answered your question when you first posed it. Now that you have your foot in your mouth, you moved the goalposts. But even if that second goalpost were the first one you yourself placed. Why would focusing on the very first salvo be more probative than reading the entirety of the fight?

Do you want me to cherrypick and post scans of your chosen fights and ignore context too? Hell, I'll blow up the page for emphasis.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Superman dodged/blcoked them(and this is what your originally asked for) when he was weakened. So again, your intentions are suspicous.........if not outright feel hypocritical

Also again, I'm waiting your answers about this...since you seem to think Surfer possibly can do this

I'd ask that you cease trolling me with ignored posters. Particularly when I already gave a complete answer to MrMind. But let's not pretend the mods give a sh1t.

Trying to have an honest discussion isn't gaining me any purchase apparently. Guess I have to follow suit and be obtuse and obnoxious.

Sure... qwertyuiop1998 cites Superman's fight w/ Kryptonite Man in Action Comics #854 as being probative of Superman's ability to dodge/block radiation.

Guess he forgot where Superman lost even though he had prepped for kryptonite beforehand:

Originally posted by ODG
Moving the goalposts from radiation to blasts is about as cogent a strategy as focusing on only the very first blast and none of the subsequent fight where Superman couldn't escape the radiation, got Kryptonite-amped punched, hit by a follow-up Kryptonite blast, wrapped up in Kryptonite cables, and was losing the fight until plot device train swung by.

I answered your question when you first posed it. Now that you have your foot in your mouth, you moved the goalposts. But even if that second goalpost were the first one you yourself placed. Why would focusing on the very first salvo be more probative than reading the entirety of the fight?

Do you want me to cherrypick and post scans of your chosen fights and ignore context too? Hell, I'll blow up the page for emphasis. And I pointed out that Superman lost those fights or would have lost them without outside help or lead materials. Does this hurt your butt? I suggest ointment.

I'd ask that you cease trolling me with ignored posters. Particularly when I already gave a complete answer to MrMind. But let's not pretend the mods give a sh1t.

But it does seem like you're moving the goalposts, from "providing Superman dodges/blocks K-raidation" to "these fights are not impressive and Superman dodges/blocks when it was too late" to "these fights are not impressive"

Because that shows how you backtracking your statements, and in some degree, shows your intentions are suspicious?

You did? then show me your answers about my question

But y'know, this hypothetical thread is Silver Surfer vs. Superman w/ radiation proof spray polymer + Krypto + superpowered Jimmy Olsen to drain the kryptonite poisoning + conveniently placed lead-mirror shards. OP changed the stipulations, just never told the rest of us.

Because that fight w/ Kryptionite Man doesn't reflect poorly on Superman's ability to avoid/counteract kryptonite poisoning during a fight at all.

Conduit fight has already been discussed to similar hilarity, let's move onto the the other fight qwertyuiop1998 is relying on.

Surfer supporters in this discussions intentions will always be suspicious and based on misdirection and misrepresentation.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I guess the guy who claimed Superman only dodged k-blast only when it is too late also is my imagination?

And Superman dodged/blcoked them(and this is what your originally asked for) when he was weakened. So again, your intentions are suspicous.........if not outright feel hypocritical

Also again, I'm waiting your answers about this...since you seem to think Surfer possibly can do this

Or more recently Dawn had to tell him the weakness of Warrior One on a speaker lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because when surfer gets overpowered, he automatically resorts to weakness exploitation. Right.

Its like he has never done this before or something.