Astner
The Ghost Who Walks
Originally posted by abhilegend
While Surfer is simply weakness exploiting everyone to death. Cute.
You're correct. Surfer is a pacifist. In-character he wouldn't do this. Then again, in-character neither Surfer or Superman would fight each other.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Again cute, Superman has shattered planets by jumping off of them.
That's not more impressive than destroying planets by punching, the feats are roughly equivalent.
But what's of note is that Gladiator punched a planet to smithereens casually, and we clearly saw the aftermath of it.
With Superman escaping the prison planet we see that many Supermen died trying to do what Superman eventually did end up doing. But even then it took him a fair amount of time, and while we see the planet crack and the narration box stating that it shattered, we don't see the aftermath.
So in this case I'd rule Gladiator's feat more impressive.
To be fair though, Superman managed to do what he did on a planet with no exposure to sunlight, and you could technically build an argument out of that. But even then it's not a clear-cut case, and Surfer is a peer to Gladiator in terms of physical prowess, Surfer mentioned this when wrestling him.
So if Surfer and Superman are roughly equal in terms of physical strength then Superman will lose every time because Surfer is so much more versatile that he rarely ever relies on his physical strength. Surfer doesn't have to physically touch planets to adjust their orbits.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He has crossed the universe.
Poetic license, with Gladiator we got a clear-cut distance, a specific time frame, and a punch. Superman doesn't have any speed feat this unambigious on the same scale.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hyperion failed to stop the earths from colliding.
I agree. But it's still not clear-cut. And since you're so keen on falling back on tweets you have to accept that he held apart universes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The only time Beta Ray Bill physically fought Surfer, he knocked his ass out in two hits.
First off, you're wrong: they did fight in Godhunter. Secondly, that's not the comic I referred to.
And if you want to highlight Surfer jobbig there are plenty of characters far weaker than Beta Ray Bill who've one-shot Superman. Remember Konvict? Rogul "I need to bomb to blow up the Earth" Zaar is another character Beta Ray Bill would destroy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ghost soldier was a literal ghost, he couldn't be hurt by physical attacks.Do show Surfer turning intangible in combat though.
I'm not sure he actually has. But he regularly phases through objects.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer's not winning a single fight here. Even the comic writers say so and that was the weakest post Crisis Superman ever.But what does Dan Jurgens know, right?
Jurgens is a notorious fanboy having made claims that Superman could best both Odin and Galactus back in the day.
That said, he's retired, he has no rights to either of the characters, and battles are determined by feats. If Bendis came out and said that Miles Morales could beat Clark that would only mean that he's wrong (despite having written both of the characters), the same thing goes for Jurgens.
Also, Superman's feats in Jurgens books are shit and if I started posting them you'd call me out for low-balling Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Pre crisis, but its canon now and still better than imaginary scenarios for Surfer.
Why are you pushing this bullshit? They're different characters.
New 52 and Post-Crisis Superman are the same, but that's it. Yes, Pre-crisis Superman exists (or existed) but he's a different character from the Clark we read about today.
