Silver Surfer Vs Superman 2022 edition.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Surfer supporters in this discussions intentions will always be suspicious and based on misdirection and misrepresentation.

Originally posted by MrMind
it's kinda like phildo and galan-chan ignoring me, just make me more horny

stilt is the only one nobody ignores and he doesn't ignore anybody

stilt is like the center, the essence of kmc, and we just kinda evolve around his gravity

You can be like stilt, or you can be like cd.

Sure... qwertyuiop1998 cites Superman's fight w/ Lex in Superman: Up, Up and Away as being probative of Superman's ability to dodge/block radiation.

Guess he forgot where Superman got hit by every other kryptonite radiation blast but for for a few, got saved by normal Jimmy Olsen, got hit by Kryptonite mech punches, and was forced to kamikaze and be utterly depowered to fight Luthor H2H on a beach to a double k.o.:

But y'know, this hypothetical thread is Silver Surfer vs. Superman w/ Jimmy Olsen.

And I suppose that fight does prove Superman would eventually be depowered on a beach fighting Silver Surfer H2H? Because that development wouldn't be an absolute death sentence and doesn't reflect poorly on Superman's ability to avoid/counteract kryptonite poisoning during a fight at all.

I mean... you alluded to three fights to cherry-pick single scenes and ignore that Superman gets his a$$ handed to him via Kryptionite poisoning in each of them. One fight he was losing and interrupted by a plot device train. The second fight he ended up utterly depowered on a beach and got double k.o.ed against a human. The third fight he was prepped and actually lost and had to be saved by Krypto & Jimmy Olsen again.

And let's not pretend Conduit, Lex or Kryptonite Man are anywhere near as powerful as Silver Surfer in the first place.

Call it for what this was... a completely unforced act of self-sabotage.

Dumbo is triggered lmao

Originally posted by ODG
But y'know, this hypothetical thread is Silver Surfer vs. Superman w/ radiation proof spray polymer + Krypto + superpowered Jimmy Olsen to drain the kryptonite poisoning + conveniently placed lead-mirror shards. OP changed the stipulations, just never told the rest of us.

Because that fight w/ Kryptionite Man doesn't reflect poorly on Superman's ability to avoid/counteract kryptonite poisoning during a fight at all.

Conduit fight has already been discussed to similar hilarity, let's move onto the the other fight qwertyuiop1998 is relying on.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't Superman already see and evade/blcok kryptonite radiation coming in the past?

Originally posted by ODG
Even I'm sure he's done it at least 1/100 times but still, I'm interested in an issue #?

Also speaking of about combat showings, I'm still waiting for the answer of this question

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Also again, I'm waiting your answers about this...since you seem to think Surfer possibly can do this

Originally posted by abhilegend
See how he scurries around when asked to prove Surfer can create kryptonite radiation. Forget kryptonite, he didn't even create UV radiation which is the weakness of Dr Spectrum when he fought him.

Or more recently Dawn had to tell him the weakness of Warrior One on a speaker lol.

Its like he has never done this before or something.

^ Y'know, I completely forgot you were the sentient cabbage that caused that laughable trainwreck in this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=681492

The behavior was hauntingly familiar but indeed, I simply forgot who you even were.

Either way, this post from that thread remains relevant here sadly:

Originally posted by ODG
1) Mock my grasp of the English language, check?
2) Ignore all attempts to move on from arguing English language interpretation, check?
3) Gracelessly shift the burden of the proof, check?
4) Move the goalposts, check?
5) Degenerate the conversation with increasing trollery, check?
6) Avoid all attempts to bring the conversation to a close, by avoiding a single, direct and simple question, check?
7) Rewrite the history of the conversation, check?
8) Pretend you're not being insulting, check?
9) Accuse the other poster of starting it, check?
10) Simply pretend that the entire course of conversation hasn't turned out utterly disastrous for yourself, check?
11) Rinse/repeat your trollery for another several pages to make it look like we're both equally at fault for how much this conversation has degraded, check?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.

Ask dumbo to show us the scan where Surfer uses cosmic awareness to know the exact radiation wavelength of a character's weakness from an alternate universe.

not saying he can't

but if surfer get to use weakness exploitation as his first go to

why do surfer fans have problem with superman using his speed?

seems like superman used speed more often than surfer doing fancy dna reading

Originally posted by Astner
Considering that Surfer can see people's cells and how they react to outside stimuli he would be able to pick up on the micro-reactions Supes' body has to the the cosmic background radiation. He'd notice that he's being powered by the radiation from yellow stars, while kryptonite-radiation and "red starlight" weaken him. Even if we limit him from doing that he could just read Superman's DNA like an instruction manual and figure it out that way.

Notwithstanding the points about Superman's speed - but the args about kryptonite or kryptonians being too foreign to weakness exploit seem... stupid.

It is also weird when you think about it. Superman should have sufficient reaction time to see the radiation is coming and avoid it(which he did in comics) .

But suddenly, we just wave away that possibility and give Surfer a showing that he never did( as far as I know of course) in comics....

Originally posted by MrMind
but if surfer get to use weakness exploitation as his first go to

why do surfer fans have problem with superman using his speed?

Originally posted by MrMind
seems like superman used speed more often than surfer doing fancy dna reading

That said, there are Superman-equivalents in Marvel, Gladiator and Hyperion being the most notable. Gladiator has shattered planets with punches and crossed galaxies in the blink of an eye to deliver a punch, and Hyperion suspended an Incursion for a few seconds (I believe it was a planet-level feat, but if we're going to do the selective cherry-picking we have going on for Superman then we might as interpret it as a universe-level feat, Hickman even alluded to it being the case on Twitter).

I'm not going to scale Surfer to these feats (because that'd be disingenuous), but the point is he can fight characters like these physically and hold his own. He's not being knocked-out in one punch or anything like that. And it's not like Surfer hasn't fought at these kinds of speeds as well, see his fight against Beta Ray Bill in Godhunter for reference.

And that's discounting things like intangibility, that would make Superman straight-up unable to hurt him. There was a fight in New 52 between Superman and a character named Ghost Soldier that showcased how effective intangibility would be against someone like Superman.

But there's more to Surfer's cosmic awareness than just identifying characters's weaknesses. Like Doctor Manhattan he can see the past, present, and future at the same time. That alone means that he's going to know Superman's first attack before it's even conceived of.

You can interpret this fight to go a hundred different ways, but Surfer is winning ninety-nine of them.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Y'know, I completely forgot you were the sentient cabbage that caused that laughable trainwreck in this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=681492

The behavior was hauntingly familiar but indeed, I simply forgot who you even were.

Either way, this post from that thread remains relevant here sadly: But, yes, keep referencing Superman fights where he gets his sh1t pushed in by Kryptonite usage. I'm sure if you post more scans and issue #s it won't backfire again in a spectacular explosion of unforced asininity.

Originally posted by Astner
Considering that Surfer can see people's cells and how they react to outside stimuli he would be able to pick up on the micro-reactions Supes' body has to the the cosmic background radiation. He'd notice that he's being powered by the radiation from yellow stars, while kryptonite-radiation and "red starlight" weaken him.

Considering Superman's body turns yellow sun radiation to red sun, I'm sure that's not a leap of logic.

But do show Surfer ever actually doing it.

Even if we limit him from doing that he could just read Superman's DNA like an instruction manual and figure it out that way.

Scan of him doing it, especially in middle of the battle.

Originally posted by Smurph
and, while all true, he doesn't need to do that... because he has cosmic awareness of all of this. Forum rules make cosmic awareness just as effective in a shared/neutral/battleboard environment.

Notwithstanding the points about Superman's speed - but the args about kryptonite or kryptonians being too foreign to weakness exploit seem... stupid.

Originally posted by Astner
You're right in that it's only been referred to once or twice (as far as I know) but but there's also an implicit reliance of it when Surfer creates habitable conditions for humans and aliens in space.

That's true, but Superman also has more showings of struggling with characters without super-speed, that's just a consequence of him having appeared in more stories and comics being generally inconsistent.

While Surfer is simply weakness exploiting everyone to death. Cute.

That said, there are Superman-equivalents in Marvel, Gladiator and Hyperion being the most notable. Gladiator has shattered planets with punches and crossed galaxies in the blink of an eye to deliver a punch, and Hyperion suspended an Incursion for a few seconds (I believe it was a planet-level feat, but if we're going to do the selective cherry-picking we have going on for Superman then we might as interpret it as a universe-level feat, Hickman even alluded to it being the case on Twitter).

Again cute, Superman has shattered planets by jumping off of them. He has crossed the universe.

Hyperion failed to stop the earths from colliding.

I'm not going to scale Surfer to these feats (because that'd be disingenuous), but the point is he can fight characters like these physically and hold his own. He's not being knocked-out in one punch or anything like that. And it's not like Surfer hasn't fought at these kinds of speeds as well, see his fight against Beta Ray Bill in Godhunter for reference.

The only time Beta Ray Bill physically fought Surfer, he knocked his ass out in two hits.

And that's discounting things like intangibility, that would make Superman straight-up unable to hurt him. There was a fight in New 52 between Superman and a character named Ghost Soldier that showcased how effective intangibility would be against someone like Superman.

Ghost soldier was a literal ghost, he couldn't be hurt by physical attacks.

Do show Surfer turning intangible in combat though.

But there's more to Surfer's cosmic awareness than just identifying characters's weaknesses. Like Doctor Manhattan he can see the past, present, and future at the same time. That alone means that he's going to know Superman's first attack before it's even conceived of.

Same book, two issues later.

Tempus was kicking his ass lol.

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Thor kicked Tempus' ass without mjolnir.

You can interpret this fight to go a hundred different ways, but Surfer is winning ninety-nine of them.

Surfer's not winning a single fight here. Even the comic writers say so and that was the weakest post Crisis Superman ever.

But what does Dan Jurgens know, right?

I don’t want to butt in this argument, but Qwerti bro, is dodging radiation which is Omni directional the same as dodging beams/blasts?

Sure if Superman can see the radiation coming at him he can fly away from it FTL but to fly into it and maneuvering around it, is that even possible?

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don’t want to butt in this argument, but Qwerti bro, is dodging radiation which is Omni directional the same as dodging beams/blasts?

Sure if Superman can see the radiation coming at him he can fly away from it FTL but to fly into it and maneuvering around it, is that even possible?

Pre crisis, but its canon now and still better than imaginary scenarios for Surfer.

This is like asking why doesn't Superman just bite everyone's faces off in the first millisecond of the fight. His jaw strength is part of his powerset, after all.

Surfer is even in the rulings:

Silver Surfer: Surfer is a character, not a powerset. Like Flash in DC, far too many people try to argue the potential of his abilities and how THEY would use them, rather than how Surfer would use them. That kind of attitude isn't going to cut it anymore. Use scans to back up arguments, or at the very least issue numbers.

So we need scans of him using his cosmic awareness and acting on it, or using DNA reading and then going here's the radiation wavelength to beat you!

I mean, I can argue that Flash grabs everyone's junk and rips it off at lightspeed, or castrates them as a baby etc etc...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is like asking why doesn't Superman just bite everyone's faces off in the first millisecond of the fight. His jaw strength is part of his powerset, after all.

Surfer is even in the rulings:

So we need scans of him using his cosmic awareness and acting on it, or using DNA reading and then going here's the radiation wavelength to beat you!

I mean, I can argue that Flash grabs everyone's junk and rips it off at lightspeed, or castrates them as a baby etc etc...