Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but as far as I know. Surfer's infant sun also doesn't seem to have many relevant properties. The property it shows...is lighting the planet....pretty similar to Kyle's case I would sayWhat I'm saying is, I think both of instances are very similar. But you seem have much higher opinion for Surfer's feat than Kyle's
The script says rays from a forgotten sun did that, the sun created by Surfer only parted the clouds.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but as far as I know. Surfer's infant sun also doesn't seem to have many relevant properties. The property it shows...is lighting the planet.
Note that there are no accounts of it being an "artificial" star, " pseudo" star, or anything of the like. Not in the comic and not in the script. And it's not the wrong color, and the visual size is difficult to discern due to the perspective. In other words, there's no reason to doubt that it's an actual star.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But you seem have much higher opinion for Surfer's feat than Kyle's
Not only is Surfer's star substantially more massive, but it's a body of mass created ex nihilo.
Just for reference, if we use Proxima Centauri again, that would make the feat require hundreds of times more energy than a supernova, not accounting for the motion of the star.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It didn't even light the planet.The script says rays from a forgotten sun did that, the sun created by Surfer only parted the clouds.
Originally posted by Astner
That's an explicit property, but by virtue of being a real star there are implicit properties as well.Note that there are no accounts of it being an "artificial" star, " pseudo" star, or anything of the like. Not in the comic and not in the script. And it's not the wrong color, and the visual size is difficult to discern due to the perspective. In other words, there's no reason to believe that this isn't an actual star.
Yes. Because the feats aren't equal.
Not only is Surfer's star substantially more massive, but it's a body of mass created ex nihilo.
Just for reference, if we use Proxima Centauri again, that would make the feat hundreds of times more energetic than a supernova, not accounting for the motion of the star.
What do you think "this world" means if not planet?
Originally posted by Astner
That's an explicit property, but by virtue of being a real star there are implicit properties as well.Note that there are no accounts of it being an "artificial" star, " pseudo" star, or anything of the like. Not in the comic and not in the script. And it's not the wrong color, and the visual size is difficult to discern due to the perspective. In other words, there's no reason to doubt that it's an actual star.
Except it has no mass, volume or gravity. As you said, a real star would've torn the planet apart.
Originally posted by Astner
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If it had any then it was negligible because it didn't tear apart the planet with its gravity. Oh, sorry, you wanted to make up a mass for it?
Why such double standards?
Yes. Because the feats aren't equal.
Anything other than your bias?
Not only is Surfer's star substantially more massive, but it's a body of mass created ex nihilo.
How's it more massive? It's the size of his palm.
Just for reference, if we use Proxima Centauri again, that would make the feat require hundreds of times more energy than a supernova, not accounting for the motion of the star.
So, why isn't the planet torn apart?
What do you think "this world" means if not planet? [/B]
Why do you crop the relevant lines where the light is from a forgotten sun and not from the sun surfer created.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind you, even Valor who Superman beat black and blue oneshotted Unimaginable who literally causes suns to go supernova and drains them to gain his power.Unimaginable caused a sun to go supernova and drained its energy just two issues ago.
Confirmed in its profile entry.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except it looks like small and its gravity and heat or whatever don't show in the comic either? if we want to nitpick of course
That said, calling Kyle 10 meters-across 'artificial sun,' "not an actual star," is not a nitpick.
And I'm not sure why Kyle is still brought up in every thread featuring the Surfer when he's not even part of the thread.
Anyway, the main point I'm making here is Supes and Surfer are comparable in speed, durability, and strength as far as quantifiable feats are concerned. You could argue that one has a better average than the other, but the showings are inconsistent and vague enough to where it's fair to just call them equals as far as those powers are concerned.
The issue is that those powers only make up a small fraction of Surfer's arsenal of powers. Matter transmutation, energy manipulation, lifeform manipulation, spacetime manipulation, foresight, telepathy, telekinesis, etc. and that's not even mentioning the fact that Supes has a plethora of weaknesses Surfer can abuse, while having no notable weaknesses himself. It's like putting Superman against the Flash, obviously Superman will win because he has more options.
Originally posted by Astner
The perspective is skewed, and he uses the Power Cosmic to create it. It settles in the sky, and it lights up the planet. Could you make a case against it? Sure, but the case for it is stronger than the case against it.
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That said, calling Kyle 10 meters-across 'artificial sun,' "not an actual star," is not a nitpick.
Double lol.
And I'm not sure why Kyle is still brought up in every thread featuring the Surfer when he's not even part of the thread.
Because he's less powerful than Superman by his own admission.
Anyway, the main point I'm making here is Supes and Surfer are comparable in speed, durability, and strength as far as quantifiable feats are concerned. You could argue that one has a better average than the other, but the showings are inconsistent and vague enough to where it's fair to just call them equals as far as those powers are concerned.
LMAO. No, they're not. This is lulzworthy.
The issue is that those powers only make up a small fraction of Surfer's arsenal of powers. Matter transmutation, energy manipulation, lifeform manipulation, spacetime manipulation, foresight, telepathy, telekinesis, etc. and that's not even mentioning the fact that Supes has a plethora of weaknesses Surfer can abuse, while having no notable weaknesses himself. It's like putting Superman against the Flash, obviously Superman will win because he has more options.
No, because Superman is astronomically stronger, faster, more durable and has been for years that Surfer can't even hurt him anymore by conventional means which he generally uses.
Its like putting Mangog against Spider-Man. Sure, Spider-Man is far more versatile (speed, Web shooters, spider sense) but he's so outclassed, it doesn't even matter.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he's less powerful than Superman by his own admission.
And the fact that you have to fall back on Kyle's feats only proves that Supes doesn't have these kinds of feats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because Superman is astronomically stronger, faster, more durable and has been for years that Surfer can't even hurt him anymore by conventional means which he generally uses.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its like putting Mangog against Spider-Man. Sure, Spider-Man is far more versatile (speed, Web shooters, spider sense) but he's so outclassed, it doesn't even matter.
Originally posted by Astner
That means jack-shit because Supes doesn't have the powers of a Green Latern. Despite being "stronger" (if we entertain the notion) Superman can't do what Kyle can, and vice versa.
No, Kyle straight up admitted he's not as powerful as Superman.
And the fact that you have to fall back on Kyle's feats only proves that Supes doesn't have these kind of feats.
No, I'm proving characters less powerful than Superman have better feats than Surfer.
When I say they're about equal I'm being generous. Surfer has a lot better feats when it comes to intergalactic travel and such, and we've already discussed durability where you failed to produce a feat of Supes shrugging off a supernova. Meanwhile I gave you three instances of Surfer surfing on supernovae, and one where Superman was knocked out by one.
Sure he has. Superman, Diana and even the Flashes tank Surtur going supernova and collapsing into a black hole.
Are we still pretending surfer surfing on a supernova and Superman being knocked out by a supernova are the same thing?
You can't be this retarded.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally obtuse or not with this.
You're retarded, aren't you?
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Kyle straight up admitted he's not as powerful as Superman.No, I'm proving characters less powerful than Superman have better feats than Surfer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure he has. Superman, Diana and even the Flashes tank Surtur going supernova and collapsing into a black hole.
Not only is this not a supernova or a real star, it's not even a quantifiable.
I hope this isn't the best you've got for Superman "tanking a supernova."
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are we still pretending surfer surfing on a supernova and Superman being knocked out by a supernova are the same thing?
Superman was on a planet with water (in the habitable zone) which means we're looking at roughly an astronomical unit of distance away from the star (persuming it was similar to the Sun, which I'll generously grant you). Surfer, on the other hand, flies through the stars as they go supernova.
Originally posted by Astner
It's not Dragon Ball, their powers are different, Superman can't do what Kyle can vice versa. It shouldn't be this difficult for you to grasp.
In raw power though? Superman is easily better.
Are you illiterate? What they did was accelerate the demon's "stellar evolution" to have him collapse into a blackhole/wormhole and fall back into his own world, and Alan Scott makes sure it's only he that fell backs.Not only is this not a supernova or a real star, it's not even a quantifiable.
Its like you can't even read.
"He's gone Supernova, now Sentinel".
Sentinel only starts compressing it when Surtur is gone supernova, you idiot.
How's this not a real star, its directly stated to have stellar mass, goes supernova and then becomes a black hole? Not quantifiable? You really are retarded.
I hope this isn't the best you've got for Superman "tanking a supernova."
As opposed to surfing supernova automatically becomes tanking one?
No, it's not the same thing. Surfer's feats are many orders of magnitudes more impressive.
Only in your mind.
Superman was on a planet with water (in the habitable zone) which means we're looking at roughly an astronomical unit of distance away from the star (persuming it was similar to the Sun, which I'll generously grant you). Surfer, on the other hand, flies through the stars as they go supernova.
Where did he fly through a star while they go supernova?
Anyway, how about tanking and absorbing a hypernova?
Superman defeats Mageddon, the primordial annihilator via absorbing its anti-sun core which negates his own energy and is complely fine while overcoming its telepathy.
Just how powerful was Mageddon? It was powerful enough to force the angels of Pax-Dei to create a new universe because it was going to destroy this universe.
The whole of humanity gets the powers of superman.
Mageddon was killing thousands of these supermen with each blast and would've killed whole of humanity in minutes according to batman.
Here is one more thing about this feat. Oracle notes that the Mageddon anti sun was going hypernova.
A hypernova only occurs in the stars at least 30 times more mass than Earth's sun and this anti sun must have been even more huge so to destroy half the galaxy.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-hypernova-explosion
And here the anti sun goes off as Orion says the detonation has been done. Superman actually tanks it and absorbs all the energy.
That's enough real star for you?
Originally posted by abhilegend
In raw power though? Superman is easily better.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its like you can't even read."He's gone Supernova, now Sentinel".
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentinel only starts compressing it when Surtur is gone supernova, you idiot.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How's this not a real star, its directly stated to have stellar mass,
Originally posted by abhilegend
goes supernova and then becomes a black hole? Not quantifiable? You really are retarded.
Now compare this to the scene I posted where Braniac initiated a real supernova and it put Superman in a comatosed state. Not only is it more reliable by virtue of dealing with an actual supernova, but it's a more recent issue too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
As opposed to surfing supernova automatically becomes tanking one?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he fly through a star while they go supernova?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, how about tanking and absorbing a hypernova?Superman defeats Mageddon, the primordial annihilator via absorbing its anti-sun core which negates his own energy and is complely fine while overcoming its telepathy.
Just how powerful was Mageddon? It was powerful enough to force the angels of Pax-Dei to create a new universe because it was going to destroy this universe.
The whole of humanity gets the powers of superman.
Mageddon was killing thousands of these supermen with each blast and would've killed whole of humanity in minutes according to batman.
Here is one more thing about this feat. Oracle notes that the Mageddon anti sun was going hypernova.
A hypernova only occurs in the stars at least 30 times more mass than Earth's sun and this anti sun must have been even more huge so to destroy half the galaxy.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-hypernova-explosion
And here the anti sun goes off as Orion says the detonation has been done. Superman actually tanks it and absorbs all the energy.
That's enough real star for you?
Was it impressive? Maybe, we don't know. Was it as impressive as you're passing it off to be? No.
Also, this isn't a supernova feat.
If Superman doesn't have any supernovae feats on par with Surfer at least concede to it before plastering the thread with other unrelated feats.
On a semi-related note. Where are all the feats of "recent" Superman that you kept going on about. All you've been posting are aged feats.
Originally posted by Astner
The feats you're looking at are not feats Superman ever has (or ever has been implied to be able to) replicate.
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Yeah, that's why Zod (who was Superman level with two suns) beat the shit out of Kyle without even exerting himself.
Yes, that was the Atom's description. It's still not a real supernova.
Because? Give the reason why it's not a supernova.
Then then Flashes wouldn't have survived as clarified by the Atom.
Atom was only talking about the gravitational forces of the black hole. Nothing about supernova.
Because stellar mass is not a unit of mass, "solar mass" is, but that's not what's being said here. Nor is it what's being talked about.
Of course it's a unit of solar mass. A simple Google search will tell you that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_mass
No, because it's not a real star, not a real supernova and not a real black hole.
And never is this being suggested in any other sense than analogy. Like almost all feats you've posted in this thread it's vague at best.
How's it vague?
Now compare this to the scene I posted where Braniac initiated a real supernova and it put Superman in a comatosed state. Not only is it more reliable by virtue of dealing with an actual supernova, but it's a more recent issue too.
How's it a real supernova when it never collapsed into either a white dwarf or a black hole?
Why wouldn't it be? Isn't Surfer subjected to the energies of it?
A human sized object can't take even a minuscule amount of a supernova explosion.
I posted it on the previous page.
None show Surfer entering a star going supernova.
Originally posted by Astner
The perspective is skewed, and he uses the Power Cosmic to create it. It settles in the sky, and it lights up the planet. Could you make a case against it? Sure, but the case for it is stronger than the case against it.That said, calling Kyle 10 meters-across 'artificial sun,' "not an actual star," is not a nitpick.
And I'm not sure why Kyle is still brought up in every thread featuring the Surfer when he's not even part of the thread.
Anyway, the main point I'm making here is Supes and Surfer are comparable in speed, durability, and strength as far as quantifiable feats are concerned. You could argue that one has a better average than the other, but the showings are inconsistent and vague enough to where it's fair to just call them equals as far as those powers are concerned.
The issue is that those powers only make up a small fraction of Surfer's arsenal of powers. Matter transmutation, energy manipulation, lifeform manipulation, spacetime manipulation, foresight, telepathy, telekinesis, etc. and that's not even mentioning the fact that Supes has a plethora of weaknesses Surfer can abuse, while having no notable weaknesses himself. It's like putting Superman against the Flash, obviously Superman will win because he has more options.
Of course I wouldn't say the size really matters, but what I'm saying is, I failed to see there are significant differences between Surfer's feat and Kyle's
Originally posted by Astner
This is a straight up lie. Superman only dsisarmed the Mageddon Bomb by absorbing the trigger energies for it.
Wrong again. It's like you're a glutton for punishment
Not to mention he could metabolize it like normal sunlight.
Its anti sunlight, it literally negates his power.
Was it impressive? Maybe, we don't know. Was it as impressive as you're passing it off to be? No.
Why not?
Also, this isn't a supernova feat.
Its a hypernova feat. Magnitudes more powerful.
If Superman doesn't have any supernovae feats on par with Surfer at least concede to it before plastering the thread with other unrelated feats.
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Gonna cry like a little bit©h, are you?
