If the rest of NATO et al. steps up its aid, then it's feasible that Ukraine could carry on without the U.S. The hope being that Russia circa 2025 will also be in a weaker, poorer state than it is currently. Or Putin is ousted and his usurpers pull out.
But another two years of aid could be tricky to acquire without the gains to showcase Ukraine's capability, especially if more right-wing Putin sympathizers are elected across the alliance.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You would need a dozen expert translators to drill holes into their own skulls just to have a small chance of untangling the garbled mess that inbred smoothbrain dribbled out.
How can you be so smug in your position that doing nothing against slaughter and kidnapping is moral?
The correct course of action is to do as we did to Iraq, and forcibly depose Putin. The US could do this, and should.
**** NATO. The victims don't care, and neither should you.
Originally posted by Lord LucienIn America, 3 out of the 4 top Republican Presidential runners are for cutting off aid to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis and Ramaswamy all want to cut support. Dddly enough, Pence says he would continue the support. Could be true, could not be, can't really trust these Rightist.
If the rest of NATO et al. steps up its aid, then it's feasible that Ukraine could carry on without the U.S. The hope being that Russia circa 2025 will also be in a weaker, poorer state than it is currently. Or Putin is ousted and his usurpers pull out.But another two years of aid could be tricky to acquire without the gains to showcase Ukraine's capability, especially if more right-wing Putin sympathizers are elected across the alliance.
Originally posted by Robtard
In America, 3 out of the 4 top Republican Presidential runners are for cutting off aid to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis and Ramaswamy all want to cut support. oddly enough, Pence says he would continue the support. Could be true, could not be.
Aid packages are nice and all, but they need men. Fact is Russia has far far more to lose.
If Biden promised to use his power as commander in chief to personally end the war, I'd vote for him in a heart beat.
Originally posted by cdtmNot that you're capable of understanding language, being as inbred and disgusting as you are:
How can you be so smug in your position that doing nothing against slaughter and kidnapping is moral?The correct course of action is to do as we did to Iraq, and forcibly depose Putin. The US could do this, and should.
**** NATO. The victims don't care, and neither should you.
Saddam's Iraq was a tiny nation and pathetic opponent with zero WMDs that still became a quagmire that saw millions die and ISIS rise. An international military coalition was still needed to defeat and occupy it. And it still turned to shit and suffering and remains so.
Putin's Russia is an order of magnitude larger and more powerful. And has 5,889 nuclear weapons stockpiled, 1,674 of which are ready to be launched. That you condone an attack on it knowing the outcome is the height of vileness.
Originally posted by RobtardTerrible as Pence is, he actually seems to have convictions and beliefs that align with a genuine sense of morality. Not condoning his morality, mind you. But a Republican with real principles is preferable to a Republican obsessed with power alone.
In America, 3 out of the 4 top Republican Presidential runners are for cutting off aid to Ukraine. Trump, DeSantis and Ramaswamy all want to cut support. Dddly enough, Pence says he would continue the support. Could be true, could not be, can't really trust these Rightist.
"But when all is said and done,
Jefferson has beliefs. Burr has none."
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Not that you're capable of understanding language, being as inbred and disgusting as you are:Saddam's Iraq was a tiny nation and pathetic opponent with zero WMDs that still became a quagmire that saw millions die and ISIS rise. An international military coalition was still needed to defeat and occupy it. And it still turned to shit and suffering and remains so.
Putin's Russia is an order of magnitude larger and more powerful. And has 5,889 nuclear weapons stockpiled, 1,674 of which are ready to be launched. That you condone an attack on it knowing the outcome is the height of vileness.
Don't you see that by your own logic, we should never attack Russia whether he attacks a NATO member or not?
If Putin attacked Poland, he would still have those nukes.
But you wouldn't say don't hesitate them, right? Because the NATO coalition makes it different compared to not being a member?
I'm sorry but if that is your stance, you really need to re-examine your moral frame work.
Mine is very simple, if innocents are suffering and need help you help. I could care less about factions or geopolitics or what other nations think.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Terrible as Pence is, he actually seems to have convictions and beliefs that align with a genuine sense of morality. Not condoning his morality, mind you. But a Republican with real principles is preferable to a Republican obsessed with power alone."But when all is said and done,
Jefferson has beliefs. Burr has none."
I can see where Pence projects that, but I think he's just an immoral suit that uses his religion as a shield like many in his party do. A Christian in name only.
Pence is the guy who had to call Dan "Potatoe Boy" Quayle for advice to see if as VP he could overturn the 2020 election over to Trump. Pence was heavily considering it.
Luckily Qauyle flat out told Pence he had no flexibility and he should just do the job he was elected for: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/dan-quayle-pence-trump-january-6-woodward-costa-book/index.html
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Terrible as Pence is, he actually seems to have convictions and beliefs that align with a genuine sense of morality. Not condoning his morality, mind you. But a Republican with real principles is preferable to a Republican obsessed with power alone."But when all is said and done,
Jefferson has beliefs. Burr has none."
If Pence had any of that he'd never have accepted running as Trump's VP. He knew what he was signing up for and signed gladly for the power.
Oh yeah, he's flat out awful. A President Pence would be horrifying. But I prefer it when the VP has enough wherewithal to both ask for advice to perform an act, and refrain from acting when told he legally can't (he should have known though). Pence was recently confronted by a woman at a speech he was giving about how he should have "sent it back to the States" so we could keep Trump. He held firm and reiterated that he was not allowed, and that the VP doesn't have the authority to overturn results.
And he won't win the Primary. Even Pence is literally too honest to win support from the Magas (and he's not honest). That's how gross they are.
LoL @ Trumpers keeping to their "Trump For President No Matter The Law!" mindset. They'll never change.
And good on Pence for saying that openly, but it's too little too late imo. Fair enough on the "less of a turd", he's less turdish than say Trump, but that's not a high bar to step over.
I'm a little confused why Pence is running, guys like Tim Scott and Vivek Ramaswamy know they'll never win the Republican nomination due to their skin color, they're banking on maybe (i stress maybe) a VP or more likely a high ranking spot in the winners admin in exchange for their endorsement. Does Pence maybe know something, or is he truly deluded? As he's in no way going to agree to a be someone's VP a second time, not that he'd be asked again.
I like how you people so passionately denounce white supremacy, bigotry, homophobia, anti-lghtq speak, yadda yadda, yet that passion evaporates when the subject is Ukrainians or Afghanistan women or the Muslims in Taiwan.
Why is that I wonder? Maybe because none of you really give a shit about people in far away lands dying by the dozen?
You all sat on your hands while the "bigot" among you demanded action NOW for Ukraine, and was denigrated for it. Not weapons, not care packages, actual defenses by our military.
You act high and mighty when the topic is partisan grandstanding, but can't muster the feeling to demand more be done for those who actually need to be protected.
And it's not as if Ukraine hasn't begged for us to do more. They have pleaded, and we stand by and watch their genocide.
I no longer care what you think of me as a person of my views, your opinion means nothing.
My last comment in this thread.
Originally posted by cdtm
Don't you see that by your own logic, we should never attack Russia [b]whether he attacks a NATO member or not?If Putin attacked Poland, he would still have those nukes.
But you wouldn't say don't hesitate them, right? Because the NATO coalition makes it different compared to not being a member?
I'm sorry but if that is your stance, you really need to re-examine your moral frame work.
Mine is very simple, if innocents are suffering and need help you help. I could care less about factions or geopolitics or what other nations think. [/B]
I kinda agree with this moral framework. Curious how you see it in terms of southern migrants though. I think if they want to live here and need help, let em, and help em. Not all help has to be military help.
Of course, you are the person who equated Russia invading Ukraine with China imprisoning political opposition, so I'm pretty sure you're just saying whatever you can to win points in an argument, and this isn't your true moral framework at all.
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"Pentagon announces $1.3B Ukraine weapons package, includes Phoenix Ghost drones, mine-clearing equipment" -snip
Putin's barking and making threats again, angry fella.