Originally posted by MrMind
MMH has can tp at planck time, hulk is slow as shit
Telepathy is always fast, that's its nature, not a speed feat for Manhunter. It's useless against the Hulk, anyway.
And it didn't save MMH from street-levelers or a mob of peasants with torches and pitchforks.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's some interesting spin. Xavier must have, what, thousands(?) of appearances just in his capacity as headmaster of a school but I guess that now lowers his forum stock.
I would, J'onn can match pretty much anything Charles has done despite appearing in far fewer comics. On average J'onn does have superior feats.
Martian Manhunter is not the character to back if you want to start arguing averages, tho
Originally posted by abhilegendUntil Hulk's gamma aura sets the battlefield on fire ermmnone
Hulk also has no counter to phasing or invisibility. I don't think J'onn would stay phased entire time but that does offset any strength advantage hulk has.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's a load of bullshit and you know it well, Abhi.
Nope, bring any feat for Xavier, I can bring at least one matching feat for J'onn.
That is the main problem with J'onn - he should be nigh unbeatable, given those (and other) superpowers - yet he does get wtfpwned all the damn time, 24/7, by beings who don't have anything at their disposal that would deal with intangibility or invisibility.
That's not true. He does have his jobbing moments but mostly he does good against bricks like hulk.
J'onn is Reed Richards of DC, only much dumber. But their combat performance and social awkwardness are similar.
That's true.
Originally posted by Smurph
That's some interesting spin. Xavier must have, what, thousands(?) of appearances just in his capacity as headmaster of a school but I guess that now lowers his forum stock.
Yes, that's how averages work.
Martian Manhunter is not the character to back if you want to start arguing averages, tho
Let's go for pure feats then.
Until Hulk's gamma aura sets the battlefield on fire ermmnone
Has it ever done so?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Telepathy is always fast, that's its nature, not a speed feat for Manhunter. It's useless against the Hulk, anyway.And it didn't save MMH from street-levelers or a mob of peasants with torches and pitchforks.
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no regular telepathy has speed of thought which is about one-twentieth of a second to a quarter of millisecond, planck time is 5.39×10−44 second
and professor x and thanos have both controlled hulk with tp before
the only one that shown somewhat immune to tp was ww hulk
Originally posted by Smurph
Nah, high level telepathy seems to always couple with increased speed of thought.Nate has that planck time feat.
Xavier's TP instantly reached the Shi' Ar galaxy from Earth.
God Cable was performing complex, instantaneous matter manip during the fight with Surfer.
and do you think hulk can react to nate? cause that's literally the same thing mmh did
Originally posted by Smurph
Nah, high level telepathy seems to always couple with increased speed of thought.Nate has that planck time feat.
Xavier's TP instantly reached the Shi' Ar galaxy from Earth.
God Cable was performing complex, instantaneous matter manip during the fight with Surfer.
Xavier wishes he was that fast.
Originally posted by MrMind
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no regular telepathy has speed of thought which is about one-twentieth of a second to a quarter of millisecond, planck time is 5.39×10−44 secondand professor x and thanos have both controlled hulk with tp before
the only one that shown somewhat immune to tp was ww hulk
Are you retarded?
Originally posted by Smurph
I think Hulk's upper limits of strength are superior, and I think his stamina and combat healing are far, far superior.
I don't think I would.
Then you have no idea of MM's top quantifiable strength feats.
Why even argue the thread?
Just ask what are his top quantifiable strength feats then make a decision.
MM is a lot faster (speed killsl) and can go intangible (untouchable) and is a high end telepath. That's an unbeatable combination for Hulk. Also he can become plastic man and become elastic to any physical attack. Aquaman tried to stab him with Trident once and it went through him in plastic man fashion.
How do you mislook that?
This is normal Hulk (not WWH or WBH).
In your opinion the stronger always win. Such a shallow argument.
MM has many ways to maintain 0 damage in this fight.
1. Use superior speed and flight to avoid attacks
2. Use intangibility
3. Become plastic man
4. Can shrink in size and become the size of a blood vessel
MM has many ways to win
1. TP and intangibility
2. Speed with Blunt force (he has shattered a moon alone before and moved a jupiter sized ship away from Earth that was initially hurting towards Earth at 36,000mph with the help of Superman)
3. Heat vision
4. Stabbing weapons
Originally posted by h1a8Honestly, I can't tell if you can't read or just that you won't read.
Then you have no idea of MM's top quantifiable strength feats.
Why even argue the thread?
Just ask what are his top quantifiable strength feats then make a decision.MM is a lot faster (speed killsl) and can go intangible (untouchable) and is a high end telepath. That's an unbeatable combination for Hulk. Also he can become plastic man and become elastic to any physical attack. Aquaman tried to stab him with Trident once and it went through him in plastic man fashion.
How do you mislook that?
This is normal Hulk (not WWH or WBH).
In your opinion the stronger always win. Such a shallow argument.
MM has many ways to maintain 0 damage in this fight.
1. Use superior speed and flight to avoid attacks
2. Use intangibility
3. Become plastic man
4. Can shrink in size and become the size of a blood vesselMM has many ways to win
1. TP and intangibility
2. Speed with Blunt force (he has shattered a moon alone before and moved a jupiter sized ship away from Earth that was initially hurting towards Earth at 36,000mph with the help of Superman)
3. Heat vision
4. Stabbing weapons
Either way, I guess, trolling is trolling.
Originally posted by Smurph
Honestly, I can't tell if you can't read or just that you won't read.Either way, I guess, trolling is trolling.
I can read just fine. Apparently you are the one trolling. I'll prove it.
Before I do, know that is is about Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Astner
In terms of strength, durability, and regeneration I'd say they're peers. But that's only a fraction of Martian Manhunter's arsenal of powers. Flight, speed, telekinesis, and telepathy gives him a clear edge here. Telepathy is up in the air, since sometimes it works to subdue the Hulk and other times it doesn't, but the other advantages are a bit more straightforward.
Originally posted by Smurph
They're not really peers.And the big picture is that Hulk only does one thing but is (mostly) elite at it. Whereas Martian Manhunter does many things but is more or less the love child of a Swiss Army Knife and a wet noodle.
So even if they were peers...
8/10 Hulk. 2/10 to Jonn for the rare combo of TP/intangibility/flight/energy powers shenanigans.
Astner was saying they were peers in strength, durability, and regeneration. But with other powers MM is superior.
Your reply states that they are not peers with ALL powers considered (which is trolling).
Even the argument that they are not peers in strength and durability is borderline trolling. What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph and forcing it in the opposite direction? Or even destroying a moon?
Did you know about those feats?
And when under Full Capacity, how does Hulk even touch someone insanely faster, has intangibility, can become plastic man, can shrink, can become invisible, can use high end TP, etc.
If this were h2h then MM would still stomp.
With all other powers this fight borders on spite.
MM has to fight dumb and forget his powers (especially speed) for Hulk to have a chance.
And you call me trolling?
Originally posted by h1a8Take a breath. Touch some grass. We can do this in baby steps.... unless you're trolling, in which case the conversation will quickly derail.
I can read just fine. Apparently you are the one trolling. I'll prove it.
Before I do, know that is is about Savage Hulk.You replied with
Astner was saying they were peers in strength, durability, and regeneration. But with other powers MM is superior.
Your reply states that they are not peers with ALL powers considered (which is trolling).
Even the argument that they are not peers in strength and durability is borderline trolling. What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph and forcing it in the opposite direction? Or even destroying a moon?Did you know about those feats?
And when under Full Capacity, how does Hulk even touch someone insanely faster, has intangibility, can become plastic man, can shrink, can become invisible, can use high end TP, etc.
If this were h2h then MM would still stomp.
With all other powers this fight borders on spite.
MM has to fight dumb and forget his powers (especially speed) for Hulk to have a chance.And you call me trolling?
Those strength feats that you keep mentioning for Martian Manhunter - he didn't accomplish either by himself, correct?