The Martian Manhunter vs Hulk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. He is better.

And you don't exactly need a Superman to mop the floor with J'onn - you of all people know that too well.

Originally posted by carver9
And Superman is no Surfer, lol.

Originally posted by Smurph
lol remember Superman saying that he needs to speed up to try to keep up with DoS Doomsday?

...while normal humans were hovering around Doomsday, targeting and shooting him?

mmm

😂

Originally posted by Smurph
Agreed, using telepathy to enter planck time isn't a reaction feat.

Cough cough

But the main point I agree. I don't think either feat is a reaction speed feat.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

But the main point I agree. I don't think either feat is a reaction speed feat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surfer isn't as fast as Superman.

Surfer is far more versatile than Superman. CIS on, Surfer should stomp, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
True but hulk isn't fit for the task.
😂
Are you equating planck time to Superman/Doomsday fight?

😂

Normal humans were blasting Doomsday while Superman was upping his speed. How is that possible?

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer is far more versatile than Superman. CIS on, Surfer should stomp, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Normal humans were blasting Doomsday while Superman was upping his speed. How is that possible?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron man is more versatile, Flash still stomps his ass I a fight. Surfer is more versatile but Superman's speed makes it irrelevant.
They were moving in planck time as Smurph said.

You're saying exactly what I want you to say. Keep going, minion.

Originally posted by carver9
You're saying exactly what I want you to say. Keep going, minion.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer is far more versatile than Superman. CIS on, Surfer should stomp, right?

Nope, because he's still too slow. Remember mod ruling on characters using their speed to avoid attacks?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, though I did interpret MMH's feat a bit differently from Nate's. MMH's feat is more like he casts his thoughts into Planck time while Nate is using TP to enter a plane that exists between moments/a time manipulation

But the main point I agree. I don't think either feat is a reaction speed feat.

Moreover, I thought it was all a ruse by Perpetua to give the people of Earth hope or some such, to make them tastier or something.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, because he's still too slow. Remember mod ruling on characters using their speed to avoid attacks?

So in character, what is Superman going to do to Surfer?

Just in case you don't know what CIS mean. Superman is most common with this, Thor is as well...

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Originally posted by carver9
Just in case you don't know what CIS mean. Superman is most common with this, Thor is as well...

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Originally posted by carver9
Just in case you don't know what CIS mean. Superman is most common with this, Thor is as well...

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Lmao. Lol. I'm crying with laughter here.

Since you're using forum rulings:

Superman: Superman's speed is a viable tactic in fights. It's in character for him to use his speed, even if it's not lightspeed blitzing.

Literally for Superman. Source: https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577880.html ( check Surfer's section whilst you're at it).

Also:

The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight

Source: https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

"Even if it's not light speed combat". The person who wrote that even know Superman doesn't fight at those speeds, something Surfer board can easily react at. So, how is a CIS on Superman beating Surfer? Flash has far more of a chance at combating at light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
"Even if it's not light speed combat". The person who wrote that even know Superman doesn't fight at those speeds, something Surfer board can easily react at. So, how is a CIS on Superman beating Surfer? Flash has far more of a chance at combating at light speed.

Lmao the quote is lightspeed BLITZING, you can't even read properly. Where does it say lightspeed COMBAT??

He's not using lightspeed OFFENSIVELY at the start of the fight, but he's using lightspeed DEFENSIVELY. Neither Surfer nor his board would touch him, if he doesn't want to get hit. A slower character isn't physically hitting /affecting a faster character without PIS.

Unless of course, Surfer can fight in nanoseconds? 😛

GG.

And I like how you still cling to 'chances'. They either have it or don't, mod ruling was clear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao the quote is lightspeed BLITZING, you can't even read properly. Where does it say lightspeed COMBAT??

He's not using lightspeed OFFENSIVELY at the start of the fight, but he's using lightspeed DEFENSIVELY. Neither Surfer nor his board would touch him, if he doesn't want to get hit. A slower character isn't physically hitting /affecting a faster character without PIS.

Unless of course, Surfer can fight in nanoseconds? 😛

GG.

And I like how you still cling to 'chances'. They either have it or don't, mod ruling was clear.

What does this say?

https://ibb.co/ZXgHc89

Superman can't fight at nano second speeds, let's not even talk about Surfer hitting him. Back in topic CIS on, Surfer turns his costume into kryptonite.

Originally posted by carver9
What does this say?

https://ibb.co/ZXgHc89

Superman can't fight at nano second speeds, let's not even talk about Surfer hitting him. Back in topic CIS on, Surfer turns his costume into kryptonite.

Originally posted by carver9
"Even if it's not light speed combat". The person who wrote that even know Superman doesn't fight at those speeds, something Surfer board can easily react at. So, how is a CIS on Superman beating Surfer? Flash has far more of a chance at combating at light speed.

YOU'RE the one saying lightspeed COMBAT, lmao. The ruling is about BLITZING. BLITZING is NOT DEFENSIVE. Are you drunk, or an idiot?

Do I seriously need to break this down line by line for you??

Originally posted by carver9
"Even if it's not light speed combat". The person who wrote that even know Superman doesn't fight at those speeds, something Surfer board can easily react at. So, how is a CIS on Superman beating Surfer? Flash has far more of a chance at combating at light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
What does this say?

https://ibb.co/ZXgHc89

Superman can't fight at nano second speeds, let's not even talk about Surfer hitting him. Back in topic CIS on, Surfer turns his costume into kryptonite.

used to say that if something is the case or not, the result is the same:

IOW, the sentence just says whether or not you agree that Superman possesses the abilities to lightspeed blitzing, Superman will use his speed.
It doesn't say Superman can't blitz at lightspeed, just it won't change the fact Superman still will use his speed in fight

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not using lightspeed OFFENSIVELY at the start of the fight, but he's using lightspeed DEFENSIVELY. Neither Surfer nor his board would touch him, if he doesn't want to get hit. A slower character isn't physically hitting /affecting a faster character without PIS.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reason why I brought Xavier up in the first place, was because I can see MMH succeeding where he fails (or at least, replicating where Xavier succeeded).