The Martian Manhunter vs Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
YOU'RE the one saying lightspeed COMBAT, lmao. The ruling is about BLITZING. BLITZING is NOT DEFENSIVE. Are you drunk, or an idiot?

Do I seriously need to break this down line by line for you??

I literally said that what you posted said "even if Superman isn't fighting at light speed" and I mention that; saying that the sentence even reference Superman not combating at light speed, which you agree with, and you call me the idiot. Lol... you seem like the idiot here.

Anyways, he would 100% need to go that fast to blitz Surfer, and fight out of character which goes completely against CIS. Surfer turns his costume into adamantium.

Originally posted by MrMind
once he figures out hulk is just like any grounded brick he faced before, he'll simply phase out hulk's brain

Originally posted by ODG
Has MMH ever done this on-panel? I know Vision and Kitty Pryde have threatened to do so, but when has J'onn done so on-panel, let alone threatened to do so on-panel?

On panel doesn't count.

Originally posted by carver9
I literally said that what you posted said "even if Superman isn't fighting at light speed" and I mention that; saying that the sentence even reference Superman not combating at light speed, which you agree with, and you call me the idiot. Lol... you seem like the idiot here.

Anyways, he would 100% need to go that fast to blitz Surfer, and fight out of character which goes completely against CIS. Surfer turns his costume into adamantium.

Superman's perceptions are always on (he can't turn them off) just like his durability. That means he would perceive attacks much slower than a human would.
Either he chooses to get hit by incoming slow attack
Or
He dodges it as to not lose the fight.

In character he would take a punch or so to gauge the power of someone.

Originally posted by Smurph
Take a breath. Touch some grass. We can do this in baby steps.... unless you're trolling, in which case the conversation will quickly derail.

Those strength feats that you keep mentioning for Martian Manhunter - he didn't accomplish either by himself, correct?

The moon feat he did.
The ship feat no, him and Superman did it. Yes a shared feat. But it's assumed MM did a significant portion as the negative of that would contradict the plot.
Those feats make MM (along with feats of overpowering Superman at times) make him a peer to Savage Hulk.
Now WBH and such is a different story though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
True but hulk isn't fit for the task.

Why not?

Doomsday Rex was pathetic, as you Superman fans keep reminding the whole forum and he still raped J'onn.

Hulk can knock J'onn out with his pinkie.

Originally posted by h1a8
The moon feat he did.
The ship feat no, him and Superman did it. Yes a shared feat. But it's assumed MM did a significant portion as the negative of that would contradict the plot.
Those feats make MM (along with feats of overpowering Superman at times) make him a peer to Savage Hulk.
Now WBH and such is a different story though.

He's not a peer to Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
On panel doesn't count.

Was just playing. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Originally posted by ODG
Has MMH ever done this on-panel? I know Vision and Kitty Pryde have threatened to do so, but when has J'onn done so on-panel, let alone threatened to do so on-panel?

https://imgur.io/a/9LTgZoo

Originally posted by carver9
I literally said that what you posted said "even if Superman isn't fighting at light speed" and I mention that; saying that the sentence even reference Superman not combating at light speed, which you agree with, and you call me the idiot. Lol... you seem like the idiot here.

Anyways, he would 100% need to go that fast to blitz Surfer, and fight out of character which goes completely against CIS. Surfer turns his costume into adamantium.

Lol, I do not agree that the ruling says fighting at lightspeed. I am saying it says he won't blitz at lightspeed.

Blitzing and combat is different, stupid Carver.

Originally posted by h1a8
The moon feat he did.

Originally posted by h1a8
The ship feat no, him and Superman did it. Yes a shared feat. But it's assumed MM did a significant portion as the negative of that would contradict the plot.

So when you said "What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph..."

You actually meant "What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds [helping Superman stop] a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph..."

...right?

Originally posted by Smurph
So you're saying that Batman didn't help blow up that moon?

Cool.

So when you said "What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph..."

You actually meant "What quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds [helping Superman stop] a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph..."

...right?

Yes exactly. Assume Jon did >30% of the feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes exactly. Assume Jon did >30% of the feat.

Could Savage Hulk help Superman push back Brainiac's ship? Sure, why not. I mean, with a legion flight ring I guess Lois Lane could have helped

Let's go back to the moon thing for a second though. You called that a solo feat?

Batman absolutely helped blow the Moon up.

Originally posted by ODG
Has MMH ever done this on-panel? I know Vision and Kitty Pryde have threatened to do so, but when has J'onn done so on-panel, let alone threatened to do so on-panel?

next time say please

https://imgur.com/a/OZi3kfi

Originally posted by Smurph
Uh, no, I will not assume that.

Could Savage Hulk help Superman push back Brainiac's ship? Sure, why not. I mean, with a legion flight ring I guess Lois Lane could have helped

Let's go back to the moon thing for a second though. You called that a solo feat?

it's so funny cause shared feat can't be used here. i remember arguing with people on superman stopping the brainiac ship and pulling earth feat and people were the same way. oh he has help from mmh so it doesn't count. we don't know how much he pushed blah blah blah unquantifiable feat blah blah blah

the ship is 10 times bigger than earth coming at 36000 mph, even if mmh is only contributing 5 percent of the strength it's still impressive as hell.

Originally posted by MrMind
it's so funny cause shared feat can't be used here. i remember arguing with people on superman stopping the brainiac ship and pulling earth feat and people were the same way. oh he has help from mmh so it doesn't count. we don't know how much he pushed blah blah blah unquantifiable feat blah blah blah

the ship is 10 times bigger than earth coming at 36000 mph, even if mmh is only contributing 5 percent of the strength it's still impressive as hell.

So the feat counts. But h1 demanded a "quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph and forcing it in the opposite direction"

Which conveniently ignores the Superman factor in that feat. Pretty glaring omission lol. And h1 is glossing over that because he wants to claim the feat is quantifiable.

The feat counts, sure. Easily J'onn's greatest strength feat. But "quantifiable"? Hardly.

And fwiw, writing off the feat for Superman is much less reasonable because we know he's stronger than J'onn. You could cut the feat in half and call it a floor for Superman's contribution, but you can't do that for J'onn.

Originally posted by Smurph
Nah, that's not what I'm saying. Sure, the overall feat is hugely impressive. Sure, MMH contributed to it.

So the feat counts. But h1 demanded a "quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph and forcing it in the opposite direction"

Which conveniently ignores the Superman factor in that feat. Pretty glaring omission lol. And h1 is glossing over that because he wants to claim the feat is quantifiable.

The feat counts, sure. Easily J'onn's greatest strength feat. But "quantifiable"? Hardly.

And fwiw, writing off the feat for Superman is much less reasonable because we know he's stronger than J'onn. You could cut the feat in half and call it a floor for Superman's contribution, but you can't do that for J'onn.

Not quantifiable doesn't mean not impressive or unusable.

Originally posted by Smurph
Uh, no, I will not assume that.

Could Savage Hulk help Superman push back Brainiac's ship? Sure, why not. I mean, with a legion flight ring I guess Lois Lane could have helped

Let's go back to the moon thing for a second though. You called that a solo feat?

My point is the feat makes him a peer to Savage Hulk (along with manhandling Superman, punching blood from beings who physically gave Superman problems etc)

I concede the point if we are talking about WBH or a much more powerful Hulk than Savage.

As far as the moon feat, the nuclear bombs helped I guess. Although nuclear bombs should do almost nothing to the moon, I'll concede that point.

Basically showing to be a physical peer to Superman along with the spaceship feat makes MM a peer to Savage Hulk in the strength department. Note: I'm not arguing he's stronger but a peer.