Originally posted by Smurph
Nah, that's not what I'm saying. Sure, the overall feat is hugely impressive. Sure, MMH contributed to it.So the feat counts. But h1 demanded a "quantifiable feat by Savage Hulk matches or exceeds stopping a Jupiter size object from moving 36,000mph and forcing it in the opposite direction"
Which conveniently ignores the Superman factor in that feat. Pretty glaring omission lol. And h1 is glossing over that because he wants to claim the feat is quantifiable.
The feat counts, sure. Easily J'onn's greatest strength feat. But "quantifiable"? Hardly.
And fwiw, writing off the feat for Superman is much less reasonable because we know he's stronger than J'onn. You could cut the feat in half and call it a floor for Superman's contribution, but you can't do that for J'onn.
during pre52 mmh was portrayed as the same league as superman in strength multiple time. the fact that at his best he was hurting the likes of sbp and despero etc, he said he was stronger than superman when he was fighting sinestro. now obvisouly that could be him boasting. but it's clear you can see from a lot of writers they see mmh was in the league of post crisis superman when it come to strength.
sure superman going all out is stronger, and nobody is gonna say otherwise. but their difference in strength is not a wide gap.
Originally posted by MrMindnah, shit like this is how Superman power creep becomes this weird sort of trickle down economics across DC. Give Superman all the feats and then wax lyrical about Superman being afraid to fight MMH. But don't mind the fact that MMH, a character who has been around since the golden age, has a terrible track record and very little to independently back those statements up.
during pre52 mmh was portrayed as the same league as superman in strength multiple time. the fact that at his best he was hurting the likes of sbp and despero etc, he said he was stronger than superman when he was fighting sinestro. now obvisouly that could be him boasting. but it's clear you can see from a lot of writers they see mmh was in the league of post crisis superman when it come to strength.sure superman going all out is stronger, and nobody is gonna say otherwise. but their difference in strength is not a wide gap.
You even do it in your post - you start talking about how MMH was portrayed as being in the same ballpark as pre52 Superman, and you end by saying "their difference in strength is not a wide gap", in present tense. But... there's a gap between pre52 Superman and current Superman... so how are we still saying that MMH is his near equal?
Originally posted by Smurph
nah, shit like this is how Superman power creep becomes this weird sort of trickle down economics across DC. Give Superman all the feats and then wax lyrical about Superman being afraid to fight MMH. But don't mind the fact that MMH, a character who has been around since the golden age, has a terrible track record and very little to independently back those statements up.You even do it in your post - you start talking about how MMH was portrayed as being in the same ballpark as pre52 Superman, and you end by saying "their difference in strength is not a wide gap", in present tense. But... there's a gap between pre52 Superman and current Superman... so how are we still saying that MMH is his near equal?
I don't know why mmh has such a bad reputation here when everywhere else like cv and cbr view him as a powerhouse
he did well against, hal jordan, guy gardner, supergirl, superman etc he knocked out despero's teeth, ko'd captain marvel
for all his low showing stinkers he had high showings to even it out just like every other characters.
when he unlocked his genetic memory he took down the entire justice league in fernus.
Originally posted by MrMind
I don't know why mmh has such a bad reputation here when everywhere else like cv and cbr view him as a powerhousehe did well against, hal jordan, guy gardner, supergirl, superman etc he knocked out despero's teeth, ko'd captain marvel
for all his low showing stinkers he had high showings to even it out just like every other characters.
when he unlocked his genetic memory he took down the entire justice league in fernus.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Supergirl manhandles him in her own series iirc
And from what I recently read, Superman beats him easily in Mongul's first appearances
yeah that was n52 no? his feats fluctuate a lot in n52 era
for stinkers against superboy and supergirl he also had good showings against mon-el and authority
people just love to focus on the low showings
if we play the same game hulk has some of the lowest showings of them all
there just no way someone who can turn invisible, shapeshift, phase, regenerate, precog, someone who possess heat vision, tp, tk, astral projection, martian vision losing to hulk
Originally posted by MrMind
yeah that was n52 no? his feats fluctuate a lot in n52 erafor stinkers against superboy and supergirl he also had good showings against mon-el and authority
people just love to focus on the low showings
if we play the same game hulk has some of the lowest showings of them all
Originally posted by MrMindIs that supposed to be phasing? It looks more like he just pulled his brain out with strength given the exterior damage to the Amazo head?
next time say please
Originally posted by ODG
Is that supposed to be phasing? It looks more like he just pulled his brain out with strength given the exterior damage to the Amazo head?
😂 is that what you think?
how about this one where mmh phases through 2 white martians heart, is that just mmh punching two holes with his arms?
Originally posted by ODG
Is that supposed to be phasing? It looks more like he just pulled his brain out with strength given the exterior damage to the Amazo head?
The page shiteater posted makes it clear those Amazos are comparable with AI-controlled fodder Iron Man suits - and that's being generous.
Originally posted by ODGMaybe Mind thinks that MMH's phasing works like Kitty. But Jonn can't phase other objects.
Has MMH ever done this on-panel? I know Vision and Kitty Pryde have threatened to do so, but when has J'onn done so on-panel, let alone threatened to do so on-panel?
Could he phase into Hulk? Sure. But then he needs to materialize if he wants to start trying to rip out inner organs.
I don't like J'onn's odds if he tries to materialize inside Hulk.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The page shiteater posted makes it clear those Amazos are comparable with AI-controlled fodder Iron Man suits - and that's being generous.
does it matter? the autistic marvel fanboys ask for proofs of mmh using phasing here are the proofs. now run along if you have nothing to contribute