Darkseid True Form vs. The Beyonder

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, so we get over with "no feats" for the Quintessence part.
And I think you're missing the point of our discussion. The whole discussion is about you using Jon as example...while Darkseid is weakened, and then you ask "To what point is Darkseid weakened though? "

Aside from the Quintessence, you can also use his previous showings(stalemating AM, destroying universes, or like you mentioned in this thread, casually beaing Prime Superman and KC Superman along with other KC heroes etc) to compare.
The point being, the answer would vary astronomically. It essentially becomes if Superman is weakend by red sunlight to the point he can't lift a car, then how powerful can we deduce his normal power levels from this?

He's weakened to the point where he's not performing much differently than when he wasn't weakened. Also why would I use his KC showings, isn't the thread talking about TF Darkseid specifically?

The very same writer who created Godstorm John Stewart states Esak as more powerful than him and Orion would trouble Esak, Highfather and Darkseid are beyond Esak.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?164354-John-Stewart-The-Emerald-Knight-1-Preview/page2&p=6314078#post6314078

Random comicvine retard : Spectre beating Godstorm John Stewart is him jobbing because Darkseid killed Spectre.

Originally posted by Test123
He's weakened to the point where he's not performing much differently than when he wasn't weakened. Also why would I use his KC showings, isn't the thread talking about TF Darkseid specifically?

As for the KC showings, like you said, they're the same Darkseid, the only difference here is TF Darkseid should be amped/more powerful than the one mentioned in KC

Originally posted by Test123
So what? He wasn't doing well against TEH, he couldn't beat him, simple as.

Because TEH was amped, when are you going to acknowledge that, retard?

The heroes weren't useful when they were literally trying to stop him against the Annihilator, he could've beat them then and there but didn't.

He could have killed them anytime he wanted as shown in Infinite Frontier 6, written by the same ****ing writer. Why are you so stupid?

Waid never mentions what cosmology he's following or any avatar, this is just literal fanfiction from you. There's only one Darkseid across the multiverse, no alternate versions.

He literally shows Morrison's multiverse map, you ****ing retard.

What do you think he showed the multiverse map for?

John Stewart who's now more powerful than all the Guardians, Controllers, and Zamarons combined getting stomped by a weakened Spectre is jobbing yes, considering the likes of Sinestro and Parallax Hal have tanked the attacks of non-weakened Spectre.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because TEH was amped, when are you going to acknowledge that, retard?

He could have killed them anytime he wanted as shown in Infinite Frontier 6, written by the same ****ing writer. Why are you so stupid?

He literally shows Morrison's multiverse map, you ****ing retard.

What do you think he showed the multiverse map for?

So he's below TEH, glad we agree, he got damaged while failing to damage TEH himself.

He couldn't even KO Captain Carrot when he hit him, and then got restrained by the Annihilator, who got his tentacles cut off by Superman.

Waid never mentions any avatar, just that it is Darkseid, not some alt version.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like one-shotting the Quintessence?

As for the KC showings, like you said, they're the same Darkseid, the only difference here is TF Darkseid should be amped/more powerful than the one mentioned in KC

One-shotting the Quintessence and then struggling with Asmodel and the JLI, he then struggles with Jon later on. So there's not much difference.

As for the KC version he's doing better against two Superman there than the entire JLI. But logically it doesn't add up since TF is supposed to be stronger

Originally posted by Test123
John Stewart who's now more powerful than all the Guardians, Controllers, and Zamarons combined getting stomped by a weakened Spectre is jobbing yes, considering the likes of Sinestro and Parallax Hal have tanked the attacks of non-weakened Spectre.

Originally posted by Test123
So he's below TEH, glad we agree, he got damaged while failing to damage TEH himself.

He couldn't even KO Captain Carrot when he hit him, and then got restrained by the Annihilator, who got his tentacles cut off by Superman.

Waid never mentions any avatar, just that it is Darkseid, not some alt version.

So somehow the same writer who had him kill Quintessence, made him sub Superman, retard?

What's the purpose of showing Morrison's multiverse map is, retard?

Originally posted by Test123
One-shotting the Quintessence and then struggling with Asmodel and the JLI, he then struggles with Jon later on. So there's not much difference.

Too much context for a retard I suppose.

As for the KC version he's doing better against two Superman there than the entire JLI. But logically it doesn't add up since TF is supposed to be stronger

Of course it doesn't, because you are a retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or maybe, just maybe Spectre is just that powerful under Williamson (Sinestro and Parallax happened under Johns).
An amped TEH, you ****ing retard, when are you going to acknowledge the amp?

So somehow the same writer who had him kill Quintessence, made him sub Superman, retard?

What's the purpose of showing Morrison's multiverse map is, retard?

So he weakens Spectre but also makes him more powerful than a guy who's > Sinestro? Yeah that's called jobbing if Sinestro does better than an amped John Stewart.

Darkseid has notoriously been sub-Superman so this is not shocking, Phantom Stranger has failed to beat Superman, Highfather is Darkseid level so also sub-Superman and the JLI tanked TF Darkseid's hit as well.

I mean the fact that Morrison's map is brought up but Darkseid isn't mentioned to be an avatar, just Darkseid himself, just means that Waid has his own thing going on. Still no mention of an avatar.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Too much context for a retard I suppose.

Of course it doesn't, because you are a retard.

Hey it's not my fault Darkseid is written so badly, you seem awfully triggered though.

Originally posted by Test123
Hey it's not my fault Darkseid is written so badly, you seem awfully triggered though.

How is he written so badly?

Also dudes got thousands of posts on here but can't even follow the rules, no courtesy smh

Originally posted by Senor Cage
How is he written so badly?

KC Darkseid doing better against multiple Supermen than TF Darkseid against the JLI or Jon Kent.

So? There is only one DS

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So? There is only one DS

Yeah now there is according to Waid, but that would mean Darkseid was always his TF?

Originally posted by Test123
Yeah now there is according to Waid, but that would mean Darkseid was always his TF?

Second to the last WW series, they also confirmed only one DS/New Gods.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Second to the last WW series, they also confirmed only one DS/New Gods.

But does that mean anytime in the past when Superman fought Darkseid that was his true form?

Originally posted by Test123
But does that mean anytime in the past when Superman fought Darkseid that was his true form?

Not according to the Hyper God who explainied what the NG's are.