Originally posted by carver9
Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.]
Originally posted by carver9
Reserves. He used his remaining energy (like he said) to take out Doomsday. ..... Like I've said, Superman admitted he was near powerless at the end of his fight with Doomsday. You all would accept the statement (especially Dark) if it came from another character.
Which is it, Carv? He had no energy, but had some energy, had no power but was near powerless?
Tell me which it is. Your stance seems to..... dynamically shift.
What is the official definition of 'dynamic strength'? We need to establish this definition before any debate can proceed.
I propose two definitions:
1. Maximum mental strength: The peak strength one can exert using "all" of their effort.
2. Dynamic strength: The ability for one's "maximum mental strength" to increase by at least 100% (2 times more) due to the ability to draw more power from an external power source.
Here are two examples of dynamic strength.
Hulk initially fails to lift a weight despite exerting his full effort. However, an hour later, after becoming significantly angrier, he successfully lifts something 4 times as heavy.
Similarly, Superman struggles to lift a weight using his full effort, but later manages to lift something 8 times as heavy upon seeing Lois in mortal danger."
Originally posted by carver9
Van you give examples of Superman and Hulk failing to lift something and then lifting it moments later? ThanksYou can just do Superman if you want since my initial post about Hulk showed him getting more powerful by the second.
Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.
Superman fights a probe for hours and is shown using all of his might without damaging the probe.
Then later, after training and meditation, he is seen one shoting probes like tissue paper.
Hulk has failed to lift Onslaught and failed to damage Onslaught. But after Jean mind shenanigans, Hulk is able to overpower Onslaught and damage his shell.
I'm pretty sure there are many other examples.
Originally posted by h1a8For the record, I think Superman has dynamic strength...
Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.
But I do think the underlined parts of this sound pretty contradictory. And run counter to what "dynamic" means.
Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't have to be lifting. It can be striking, pulling, etc.
Superman punches DD with all of his might for hours without hurting DD. Then suddenly, after Superman drops mental blocks, goes being able to hurt DD to killing him in a few moments.Superman fights a probe for hours and is shown using all of his might without damaging the probe.
Then later, after training and meditation, he is seen one shoting probes like tissue paper.Hulk has failed to lift Onslaught and failed to damage Onslaught. But after Jean mind shenanigans, Hulk is able to overpower Onslaught and damage his shell.
I'm pretty sure there are many other examples.
Thing punched Hulk throughout this comic without hurting him, moments later, he makes Hulk bleed and then knocks him out. Does Thing have dynamic strength or does showings like this only apply to Superman?
Also, when did Hulk fail to hurt Onslaught? All Jean did was turn Hulk into Savage Hulk. Banner Hulk didn't have the "get stronger while madder" powerset.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh. Sounds like PIS, then. Because you're now saying....Ben *didn't* win a clear victory here?Either he did, or he didn't. And either Hulk is more powerful in this comic, or he isn't.
If he IS more powerful (and I agree with you, Carvy!) then it can't possibly be a clear victory for Ben. Unless....it's PIS. Nice scans, though.
But as I was asking:
Originally posted by carver9
Can the same be said about Superman vs Doomsday? If not, why.
No, it cannot. Because Superman has dynamic strength.
Does Ben Grimm have Reed saying things like this?
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now you just ignore the scans presented which explicitly TELL US that Superman's powers are dynamic? Nope, not going to let you off that easy:(It's from AoS #636 if you care to look for yourself, since you read so many comics.) 🙂
You're trolling harder than normal lately. Just stop. 👆
Remember, it cannot be reserves, because as you say:
Originally posted by carver9
Superman recently admitted he was getting weaker in his fight against Doomsday and that he had no energy.
No energy. 0.
Posting the Chained (amongst others) fight:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman gets angry, oneshots his villains (including the Chained). Lol.Nobody wants an angry Superman. Note this is after he's been weakened by green K:
Insane dynamic strength.
Previously, the Chained was this big bad who needed the entire Super Family to take down, IIRC.
Your first scan from Galan is relevant but your second ones are not for a number of reasons (since Wolverine, Spiderman, Batman, etc... have scenes of taking out their entire Rogue gallery when pissed).
Galan scan is saying Supes is keeping possession of his solar energy. Even though this is mostly verbiage, him retaining/keeping his energy isn't what I'm discussing here. I'm saying he doesn't get stronger. He has a cap on his strength. There's a difference. Also, I don't know why your arguing with me about a scene that mentions Superman energy levels being near depleted. It's literally on panel. Either Superman was lying (and I don't consider him a liar) or Doomsday was also weakened.