True dynamic strength

Originally posted by carver9
Van you give examples of Superman and Hulk failing to lift something and then lifting it moments later? Thanks

You can just do Superman if you want since my initial post about Hulk showed him getting more powerful by the second.

Derrick, years ago you asked for a clear example of Superman's powers increasing without Sun dipping. I showed you how in UP, UP AND AWAY his body was not absorbing solar energy like it was supposed to(scientific analysis) then suddenly when he's being chased by a couple villains, his powers somewhat kick in. He's running surprisingly fast, even gets hit by one of the villains uninjured. Then gets hit by a train and his hand leaves an impression.

Then I showed his powers clearly making jumps during fights, going from being relatively weak and slow, no flight, etc to getting stronger, true flight, etc,, his powers making at least two or three clear jumps due to needing to be more powerful to face the opposition. He even gained a new power, or at least his mind improved so much the writer treated it like one.

You pretended these were never posted and ignored me when I called you out for giving you just what you asked for.

So you agree that given time, he can gain his power back? I'm not against that since this is an ability most Heralds can do. My only argument is him going from 100% to 105%, 110% 150%, etc... I think he has a cap.

This is more of a dynamic showing imo...

So much power was being drained from Hulk that the energy readings were off the scales. It was so much energy being absorbed that the machine overloaded but Hulk was still at 100%. Not only that, he was laughing and said it tickles (thanks for the scans ODG)...

Originally posted by carver9
So you agree that given time, he can gain his power back? I'm not against that since this is an ability most Heralds can do. My only argument is him going from 100% to 105%, 110% 150%, etc... I think he has a cap.

Are you seriously this dishonest?

Originally posted by Smurph
For the record, I think Superman has dynamic strength...

But I do think the underlined parts of this sound pretty contradictory. And run counter to what "dynamic" means.

Droping the blocks could mean able gain access to more external energy.
Superman's mental could be somehow making him access a certain amount of energy at any given time. Affect the mental and you might affect the amount he absorbs.

Originally posted by carver9
Thing punched Hulk throughout this comic without hurting him, moments later, he makes Hulk bleed and then knocks him out. Does Thing have dynamic strength or does showings like this only apply to Superman?

Also, when did Hulk fail to hurt Onslaught? All Jean did was turn Hulk into Savage Hulk. Banner Hulk didn't have the "get stronger while madder" powerset.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, it's a small form of dynamic strength. As long as we agree that Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy doesn't go from 100 to 200 based off emotions, I'm cool because that is my argument.

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

Originally posted by carver9
Almost had me there. All of them were getting their powers drained the same time Superman was getting sapped up.

Nice try though.

*sigh*

I don't think you are paying attention to the comics. Look at the panels - Superman is so weak, he can hardly talk; he needs Lobo to help him up:

The others? Not so much.

Conclusion: Superman is weaker than the others. He had more energy taken from him. He literally needs help standing, he can't talk properly.

The next page:

He's using HV. That's quite the dynamic levels.

Then, next time we see them:

Brainiac Queen is draining him further.

Then, he gets back to 100% power.

So he's at 0% (or....1%? low enough that he can't even talk in full sentences), goes up to....30% with HV? Gets drained down to 20%, then ramps up to 100%, all in the space of a single battle. The exact percentages are up for debate, but that's not the point here - the point being he was weak to the point he couldn't talk properly, then was using HV (i.e. SHOOTING energy out), then was drained further, yet still got back up to 100%, all whilst fighting.

Superboy and Supergirl DID get drained a bit, yes - but not to the same extent. They lost their powers due to the power negators, not due to draining.

Once Lobo started destroying stuff, they don't have negators negating them, so whatever they got drained to, its nowhere near Superman's level of draining, as they weren't struggling to talk and had to be helped around by Lobo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Explain to me how Superman went from using all his might for hours not damaging a probe to one shotting them with ease?

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

Don't forget, during the training Mongul put Superman through to make him more powerful in preparation of Imperiex(well a Probe, but at least Mongul made it seem to be the real Imperiex) Superman said he felt his powers surge. Verbiage carter asked for.....that was already posted.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I told you before and keep telling you, their powers were gone. To the point of them not even being able to fly...

If that's the truth about Superman powers being tied to his emotion, he wouldn't have been weakened at all. Especially since his family right in front of him was being hurt and Brainiac plan after that was to attack earth. If that doesn't make him emotional, what does?

It proves it because Superman said he's at full power. What does full power mean to you? It also proves it because if he had dynamic strength and it's based primarily off of emotions, he wouldn't have been depleted of power, especially with him being in one of the most critical situations in his career. His entire family being tortured and earth being next.

Also, not sure why Brainiac successesfully drained Superman due to the Brainiac Queen needed an imaginable power source to active has anything to do with Superman's powers not emotion based?
On the contrary, I think it actually hurts your case, as Brainiac states Superman's power is different from other Kryptonians, Superman also gains his strength from other place(with the comic showing Brainiac uses his family as hostage), and Brainiac needs an unimagiable power source to active Brainiac Queen

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Huh, so it seems to confirm Superman's powers are beyond the normal Kryptonians.
As Brainiac needs an unimaginable power source, then the Lobo crew brings Superman in, and Brainiac states his powers are different, much more than just exposure to yellow suns.
https://ibb.co/T0vZ3SF
https://ibb.co/NS9tzND
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Derrick seriously set his shitty phone to minimum brightness?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Derrick seriously set his shitty phone to minimum brightness?

His phone does not have dynamic levels. It's probably dying.
Or he's perpetually indoors, hunting money launderers. None can escape the Carv.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I don't think you're paying attention here, perhaps you're just trolling?
According to you, their powers were gone, but then suddenly, their powers ramped up to the point they can do punching Brainiacs or whatever. That's kind of a dynamic strength increase in here, no?

Also, not sure why Brainiac successesfully drained Superman due to the Brainiac Queen needed an imaginable power source to active has anything to do with Superman's powers not emotion based?
On the contrary, I think it actually hurts your case, as Brainiac states Superman's power is different from other Kryptonians, Superman also gains his strength from other place(with the comic showing Brainiac uses his family as hostage), and Brainiac needs an unimagiable power source to active Brainiac Queen

I.E, if anything, it actually seems to indicate Superman's power is based on emotion. As Brainiac needs an unimaginable power source(Superman) to active the Queen, and Brainiac shows Superman his family is in danger while states Superman's power also gain strength from other place

You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own. He literally tells Superman that he is going to hang him in front of a yellow sun so that he can continue to feed his queen power.

This entire story goes against dynamic power. All of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Explain to me how Superman went from using all his might for hours not damaging a probe to one shotting them with ease?

Why wasn't he generating one shot strength when using all his might?
Don't deflect, just answer the question.

It's simple, he stopped holding back. Even against his first fight against the Probe, at one point he couldn't hurt it and when he realized the consequences if the probe got away, he killed it.

Originally posted by carver9
You honestly need to read the comic. He didn't want Superman because he could supply him an infinite amount of power on his own.

Originally posted by carver9
Brainiac absorbs Superman power which leaves him depleted of energy.

Brainiac simultaneously needs to absorb Superman's power while also he doesn't need to
Truly, a Carver Schrodinger’s Cat

I'm guessing you don't see the other Supes tied up? Also, she needed MORE power, she was dying, so that's why he brought up tying Supes to a yellow sun to feed her power. Read the comic.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm guessing you don't see the other Supes tied up? Also, she needed MORE power, she was dying, so that's why he brought up tying Supes to a yellow sun to feed her power. Read the comic.

And for tying Superman to a yellow sun part. It only proves that Brainiac has further needs for Superman. Since after creating the Queen, the Queen still needs to feed on power. It doesn't mean Brainiac doesn't need Superman to active the Queen in the first place

Originally posted by carver9
You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I'm guessing you don't see
1) Superman is also tied up there
2) Lobo and General Chacal brings Superman to Brainiac as he needs unimaginable power
https://ibb.co/T0vZ3SF
https://ibb.co/NS9tzND
3) Superman's power was depleted after the drain
What a logical conclusion you can make based on these facts?

And for tying Superman to a yellow sun part. It only proves that Brainiac has further needs for Superman. Since after creating the Queen, the Queen still needs to feed on power. It doesn't mean Brainiac doesn't need Superman to active the Queen in the first place

Are you trying to make a self-introduction?

So he needed Superman, Superboy, and Supergirl since they are all tied up getting their energy sapped. Gotcha.

Yes, he needed more power, so he included Supes to the other heroes he captured. He didn't need ONLY Supes because he isn't enough.

You keep bringing up the same things. Yes, Superman was able to get his power back to 100%, but so did other kryptonians. Heck, there were kryptonians flying around shooting heat vision who didn't experience the yellow sun at all. Getting to 100% isn't my argument. He can't Amp past that.

He could tie Supergirl and any other kryptonian to a yellow sun amping them as well. He didn't have to mention them because he was literally punching Supes in the face during that time. Sun amping is a kryptonian feature, not a Superman feature. He also needed Lobo and his race to Amp her as well.