She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
1. As I mentioned earlier, there is no script in a forum debate. This isn't a movie or a TV show with paid actors and cameraman.

2. Fictional characters aren't controlled by a script unless they are portrayed as actors in a film or show, following a company's paid script.

3. Her abilities include super strength, durability, and healing. While she can break the fourth wall in certain contexts (which doesn't apply here), that power is limited. She's only demonstrated communication with the audience and limited interaction with the Disney app, but outside of a forum battle, there's nothing for her to interact with. Nothing exists for her to even be in, outside the debate.

4. She cannot leave the battlefield to seek outside assistance. That point was made clear a while ago. This is WW vs She-Hulk, not WW vs She-Hulk and her allies.

1. Irrelevant. You can't ignore her abilities.
2. Stop making excuses.
3. Wrong. Breaking the 4th wall is an official ability of her's. So quit. Limited to what? QUIT LYING.
4. Again you’re lying. You’ve failed to prove that’s a rule on this forum. And you’ve failed to prove that She-Hulk doing this would be any different to Hiro freezing time to grab his sword, or THOR summoning Stormbreaker.

So either back up your made up claims, quit refusing to answer questions, or quit wasting out time.

Originally posted by h1a8
The show was contained inside the Disney app. She escaped the show to enter the Disney app.

What is directly outside a forum debate? What physical space contains a forum debate? Nothing.

There is no Kevin here, no script, no cameras, no show, no movie, etc.

And even if there was then she isn't allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain outside assistance. That point was made clear a while ago.
WW vs She-Hulk isn't WW vs She-Hulk and her allies.

She left her reality and environment and entered a different reality. Yes it was within the Disney app because that's where the writers were that she wanted to talk too. If she left her own reality, why do you think she's tied down specifically to Disney?

A forum debate contains opinions from all involved. Once the ability to break the 4th wall was mentioned and made apparent, the tide of the battle turned to She-Hulks favor. Everybody agrees that ability gives her the win except for you.

There doesn't need to be Kevin, scripts, or cameras. That's irrelevant.

She needs no outside assistance as proven before. That is something you made up.

@Darth Thor

I posted

1. As I mentioned earlier, there is no script in a forum debate. This isn't a movie or a TV show with paid actors and cameraman.

You posted:

1. Irrelevant. You can't ignore her abilities.

You are incorrect. Her abilities have nothing to do with settings that aren't a show or movie. Her ability to break the 4th wall depends on whether she is in a show or movie. Once again, this is not a show or movie.

I posted:

2. Fictional characters aren't controlled by a script unless they are portrayed as actors in a film or show, following a company's paid script.

You posted:

2. Stop making excuses.

That's not a rebuttal; it's just a troll post.

I posted:

3. Her abilities include super strength, durability, and healing. While she can break the fourth wall in certain contexts (which doesn't apply here), that power is limited. She's only demonstrated communication with the audience and limited interaction with the Disney app, but outside of a forum battle, there's nothing for her to interact with. Nothing exists for her to even be in, outside the debate.

You posted:

3. Wrong. Breaking the 4th wall is an official ability of her's. So quit. Limited to what? QUIT LYING.

It's an official ability only when she's portrayed in a show or movie, which isn't the case here. Even so, she didn't exit the show and go straight to Kevin. She exited into the Disney app first, showing there are limits. In other words, she can only break into what's directly outside her environment. Additionally, once inside the app, she struggled to reach the square where Kevin was in, needing to hang and swing, further highlighting the limitations of her movement.

I posted:

4. She cannot leave the battlefield to seek outside assistance. That point was made clear a while ago. This is WW vs She-Hulk, not WW vs She-Hulk and her allies.

You posted:

4. Again you're lying. You've failed to prove that's a rule on this forum. And you've failed to prove that She-Hulk doing this would be any different to Hiro freezing time to grab his sword, or THOR summoning Stormbreaker.

It takes precedence over any specific rule. If you create a 'Captain America vs. Batman' thread and someone argues 'Thor vs. Superman' instead, claiming 'it isn't against the rules,' they're clearly trolling. It goes against the topic of debate. This is WW vs. She-Hulk, not WW vs. She-Hulk and her allies. However, this discussion is moot because of points 1 and 2 above.

I knew from the start that you three were trolling me. I wasn't fooled; I just pretended to take you seriously. The forum got boring, and debating nonsense is better than having nothing to discuss. Just thought you should know.

@Tkitna

I posted:

The show was contained inside the Disney app. She escaped the show to enter the Disney app.

You posted:

She left her reality and environment and entered a different reality. Yes it was within the Disney app because that's where the writers were that she wanted to talk too. If she left her own reality, why do you think she's tied down specifically to Disney?

You're not understanding. She didn't leave the show and go directly to Kevin. Instead, she exited the show and entered the Disney app (which contained the show), and then struggled to reach the square where Kevin was, highlighting her limited ability to move within the app.

I posted:

What is directly outside a forum debate? What physical space contains a forum debate? Nothing.

You posted:

A forum debate contains opinions from all involved. Once the ability to break the 4th wall was mentioned and made apparent, the tide of the battle turned to She-Hulks favor. Everybody agrees that ability gives her the win except for you.

In your first sentence, her ability to break the 4th wall depends on whether she is in a show or movie - opinions aren't a physical place. Your second sentence is unproven, and your third sentence doesn't present a valid argument.

I posted:

There is no Kevin here, no script, no cameras, no show, no movie, etc.

You posted:

There doesn't need to be Kevin, scripts, or cameras. That's irrelevant.

Prove that it is irrelevant. In other words, without a script to alter then how would She-Hulk win? Give a specific way that she can win.

I posted:

And even if there was then she isn't allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain outside assistance. That point was made clear a while ago.
WW vs She-Hulk isn't WW vs She-Hulk and her allies.

You posted:

She needs no outside assistance as proven before. That is something you made up.

Provide a specific example, strongly supported by on-screen feats, that doesn't involve outside assistance, of how She-Hulk could win.

Originally posted by h1a8
@Tkitna

You're not understanding. She didn't leave the show and go directly to Kevin. Instead, she exited the show and entered the Disney app (which contained the show), and then struggled to reach the square where Kevin was, highlighting her limited ability to move within the app.

Lol. So you believe she has limited ability while breaking the 4th wall because she struggled to reach the square she chose? How do you measure the amount of effort that required? Also, how does that prove she can only move within the app?

In your first sentence, her ability to break the 4th wall depends on whether she is in a show or movie - opinions aren't a physical place. Your second sentence is unproven, and your third sentence doesn't present a valid argument.

She has done it numerous times in her comics too. Its a legit ability. It doesn't need to be just a show or movie.

Prove that it is irrelevant. In other words, without a script to alter then how would She-Hulk win? Give a specific way that she can win.

She could shove WW's sword up her ass while doing her makeup. Its already been proven that the reality around her is irrelevant (car driving itself).

Provide a specific example, strongly supported by on-screen feats, that doesn't involve outside assistance, of how She-Hulk could win.

She-Hulk has never needed outside assistance for anything when breaking the 4th wall. Why can't you understand that. Again, she shoves WW's sword up her ass while admiring her hair. The outside environment doesnt pertain to her when she is breaking the 4th wall.

Originally posted by h1a8
The forum got boring, and debating nonsense is better than having nothing to discuss. Just thought you should know.

This is the key here. We can all just...ignore him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the key here. We can all just...ignore him.

It truly is the best course of action.

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. So you believe she has limited ability while breaking the 4th wall because she struggled to reach the square she chose? How do you measure the amount of effort that required? Also, how does that prove she can only move within the app?

She has done it numerous times in her comics too. Its a legit ability. It doesn't need to be just a show or movie.

This isn't the comic version. They are completely separate characters.
Movie feats only.

Jen turning around to talk to a nonexistent audience will only get her beaten faster. Breaking the fourth wall (or pretending to) doesn't give her any advantage.

She could shove WW's sword up her ass while doing her makeup. Its already been proven that the reality around her is irrelevant (car driving itself).

So Wonder Woman is just going to stand there motionless and let She-Hulk do whatever she wants, simply because Jen managed to ride in a car for 12 seconds without holding the steering wheel? I've driven a car for over a minute without touching the steering wheel. Does that suddenly grant me any special abilities?

She-Hulk has never needed outside assistance for anything when breaking the 4th wall. Why can't you understand that. Again, she shoves WW's sword up her ass while admiring her hair. The outside environment doesnt pertain to her when she is breaking the 4th wall.

Originally posted by h1a8
but since you're taking a different approach, I'll debate you accordingly.

No you wont

Originally posted by tkitna
No you wont

I did. Read my rebuttal about how driving a car for 12 seconds without holding the steering wheel prove you can do anything, including shoving WW's sword up her ass while she's helpless to stop it. 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Read my rebuttal about how driving a car for 12 seconds without holding the steering wheel prove you can do anything, including shoving WW's sword up her ass while she's helpless to stop it. 😆

Like common sense, context escapes you entirely. I'm sure you did drive a car without hands on the wheel at some point for a longer period. I'm also guaranteeing that you were watching the road with hands ready to grab the wheel if the car veered. Try taking your hands off the wheel and practically sitting in the passengers seat while talking out of the passenger window. Let us know how that works out for you. Jen could do it because she knew the outside environment no longer pertained to her.

Originally posted by tkitna
Like common sense, context escapes you entirely. I'm sure you did drive a car without hands on the wheel at some point for a longer period. I'm also guaranteeing that you were watching the road with hands ready to grab the wheel if the car veered. Try taking your hands off the wheel and practically sitting in the passengers seat while talking out of the passenger window. Let us know how that works out for you. Jen could do it because she knew the outside environment no longer pertained to her.

It's possible that She-Hulk (the actress) was never actually driving a car (i.e a prop with CGI involved). Her breaking the 4th wall is just to show the audience that this stuff is all fake.

I understand your point, but 12 seconds is not enough to prove anything definitive. If she had done it for the entire duration or something close to it, your argument would be stronger. Additionally, you're making a significant extrapolation by assuming limitless possibilities from that instance.

Moreover, you're arguing for her in a way that's inconsistent with her character. She-Hulk wouldn't attempt to break the fourth wall to gain an advantage in a fight (assuming that's even possible).

h1 with a driver's license?