Originally posted by h1a8
So a character leaving the battlefield to obtain outside assistance from another being wouldnt be against the rules or against the original intent?So every character A vs character B thread is really a character A and all their associates against character B and all their associates thread? How would that determine who wins in a strict character A vs character B fight? IMP stated those were the rules. He did not state his opinion. Although his opinion ARE THE RULES.
No,unless it's a rule, then going against an opinion is....not going against the rules.
Then Imp can update the rules thread,as I've been asking for this entire time. Until it is, I am right, it is not a rule.
His opinion is not the rule, any more than Galan's opinion that carver is an idiot is a forum rules, much as I would find that hilarious.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No,unless it's a rule, then going against an opinion is....not going against the rules.Then Imp can update the rules thread,as I've been asking for this entire time. Until it is, I am right, it is not a rule.
His opinion is not the rule, any more than Galan's opinion that carver is an idiot is a forum rules, much as I would find that hilarious.
1. These debates are meant to determine which character would win in a direct fight. If a character leaves the battle to get outside assistance, it shifts the focus away from them and onto their allies, which defeats the purpose of answering the question, 'Who would win?' This approach undermines the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule. Arguing in favor of outside interference derails the discussion and borders on trolling.
2. I asked Imp if this was the rule, and he confirmed with a clear 'yes.' He also mentioned that it's always been that way (although I didn’t ask about the history of the rule). This is a straightforward statement, not an opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. These debates are meant to determine which character would win in a direct fight. If a character leaves the battle to get outside assistance, it shifts the focus away from them and onto their allies, which defeats the purpose of answering the question, 'Who would win?' This approach undermines the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule. Arguing in favor of outside interference derails the discussion and borders on trolling.2. I asked Imp if this was the rule, and he confirmed with a clear 'yes.' He also mentioned that it's always been that way (although I didn’t ask about the history of the rule). This is a straightforward statement, not an opinion.
It's a straightforward statement from Galan and Pr that carver is an idiot and a troll. So....forum ruling, then?
If it is not in the rules thread, it's not a rule. How is this so difficult for you to grasp?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's a straightforward statement from Galan and Pr that carver is an idiot and a troll. So....forum ruling, then?If it is not in the rules thread, it's not a rule. How is this so difficult for you to grasp?
If a mod states it's a rule, then it is (this isn't a matter of opinion). There are several mod rulings that aren't explicitly listed in the rules thread.
Beyond that, your behavior is bordering on trolling, especially since you're not addressing some key points in my post.
I've noticed that when someone presents a strong argument that you can't refute, you tend to ignore it and repeat the same points, as if nothing was proven. It creates the illusion that you're still competitive in the debate. Clever tactic, but I'm not falling for it.
You need to address the key points raised, or it's a loss for you. It's as simple as that.
This is what you ignored:
1. These debates are meant to determine which character would win in a direct fight. If a character leaves the battle to get outside assistance, it shifts the focus away from them and onto their allies, which defeats the purpose of answering the question, 'Who would win?' This approach undermines the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule. Arguing in favor of "outside interference" derails the discussion and borders on trolling.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Firstly this has nothing to do with "allies", so you are misrepresenting the rules just to suit your bias in this contest.Secondly you're not even bothering to link where your quoting from, but it's obviously not the movie versus forum.
Some are arguing that She Hulk leaves the battlefield to get outside assistance from Kevin. If Kevin assists (not possible anyway) then, by definition, he is an ally.
The only rule I've stated was, "leaving the battlefield to obtain outside assistance is not allowed."
I posted what IMP stated weeks ago.
He confirmed that it has always been the rule.
Again, leaving the battlefield to get outside assistance from others shifts the focus away from the characters and onto their allies. This defeats the purpose of answering the question, "Who would win". It would also undermine the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule.
Originally posted by h1a8
If a mod states it's a rule, then it is (this isn't a matter of opinion). There are several mod rulings that aren't explicitly listed in the rules thread.Beyond that, your behavior is bordering on trolling, especially since you're not addressing some key points in my post.
I've noticed that when someone presents a strong argument that you can't refute, you tend to ignore it and repeat the same points, as if nothing was proven. It creates the illusion that you're still competitive in the debate. Clever tactic, but I'm not falling for it.
You need to address the key points raised, or it's a loss for you. It's as simple as that.
This is what you ignored:
If they're not stated in the rules thread, then I ignore what the mods state, even if they state it is a rule. Simple as. If the mods want it to be an actual rule, they can update the ruling thread.
Again, I have actually gotten several rules written up as actual forum rules so I know the procedure.
The battlefield in the movie Vs forum is not defined. So you can't say She Hulk is leaving the battlefield, when she can break the fourth wall and make it part of the battlefield.
On top of that, even IF the battlefield were clearly defined (which again, it is not), her leaving does not constitute a loss, as there are no rules stating such.
Simple as. You attempting to lie and format your text prettily makes no difference to this.
Originally posted by Darth Thor.
^ Firstly this has nothing to do with "allies", so you are misrepresenting the rules just to suit your bias in this contest.Secondly you're not even bothering to link where your quoting from, but it's obviously not the movie versus forum.
He's essentially quoting what he purports to be PMs between him and Imp. Which is....iffy as hell.
If Imp wants it to be a forum rules, sure, fine, I have no issue with that. But as of right now, they are NOT part of the forum rules thread, and H1 is straight up lying when he says it is currently part of the rules. That's all I'm really arguing, which are easily verifiable facts.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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He's not even misrepresenting the rules. He's straight up making stuff up.He's essentially quoting what he purports to be PMs between him and Imp. Which is....iffy as hell.
If Imp wants it to be a forum rules, sure, fine, I have no issue with that. But as of right now, they are NOT part of the forum rules thread, and H1 is straight up lying when he says it is currently part of the rules. That's all I'm really arguing, which are easily verifiable facts.
It's amusing how you keep avoiding the key points you can't refute, repeating the same argument over and over, as if that somehow keeps you competitive in the debate. The intent of the debate takes precedence over any specific rule.
Once again, here's my original post for you to address:
1. These debates are meant to determine which character would win in a direct fight. If a character leaves the battle to get outside assistance, it shifts the focus away from them and onto their allies, which defeats the purpose of answering the question, 'Who would win?' This approach undermines the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule. Arguing in favor of 'outside interference' derails the discussion and borders on trolling.
Here's an example:
Thread title: Batman vs Captain America
Member posts:
'Captain America would win because he' d leave the fight to get help from Thor. Or actually, Batman would win because he'd go get Superman, who would beat Thor.'
Would you consider that a troll post? Why does there even need to be a written rule in the rules section, especially when a mod has clarified it, for something as common-sense as this?
Leaving the battlefield and obtaining assistance from another doesn't answer the question, "who would win between the combatants listed in the thread?"
Originally posted by h1a8
Some are arguing that She Hulk leaves the battlefield to get outside assistance from Kevin. If Kevin assists (not possible anyway) then, by definition, he is an ally.
Nobody is arguing that. She doesn't need Kevin for anything. Kevin is meaningless in this fight. This is something you are making up.
Originally posted by tkitna
Nobody is arguing that. She doesn't need Kevin for anything. Kevin is meaningless in this fight. This is something you are making up.
You're the only one making this argument, while everyone else is saying otherwise. Have you read any of the other posts?
That aside, you've already conceded the point by failing to provide strong *on-screen* evidence to support your claim.
You need to give a specific example of a fourth-wall-breaking tactic that She-Hulk would use to win, and back it up with on-screen evidence. Simply stating that she breaks the fourth wall and wins is too vague and doesn't explain how that actually leads to her victory.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's amusing how you keep avoiding the key points you can't refute, repeating the same argument over and over, as if that somehow keeps you competitive in the debate. The intent of the debate takes precedence over any specific rule.Once again, here's my original post for you to address:
Here's an example:
Thread title: Batman vs Captain America
Member posts:
'Captain America would win because he' d leave the fight to get help from Thor. Or actually, Batman would win because he'd go get Superman, who would beat Thor.'Would you consider that a troll post? Why does there even need to be a written rule in the rules section, especially when a mod has clarified it, for something as common-sense as this?
Leaving the battlefield and obtaining assistance from another doesn't answer the question, "who would win between the combatants listed in the thread?"
But that just ignores my point?
You posting PM quotes on ANY topic is useless to me - because it's not in the rules thread. Takes precedence, doesn't take precedence - that sentence is not in the ruling thread, so it holds as much weight as Galan PMing me and saying I'm the bestest most special person in the world. So I don't need to address your point, because it's still not in the ruling thread, which you casually gloss over.
Originally posted by tkitna
Nobody is arguing that. She doesn't need Kevin for anything. Kevin is meaningless in this fight. This is something you are making up.
Pretty much. KingD rephrased it pretty well:
Originally posted by KingD19
I'll rephrase for DarkSaint. Jen possesses the power to "Break the 4th Wall". It doesn't stop at K.E.V.I.N. as she literally came into the real world in the Marvel Offices, and it is supported by Deadpool & Wolverine with DP headbutting the camera and explaining how he breaks the 4th Wall. Breaking the 4th Wall is breaking the 4th wall and doesn't get nullified when she's somewhere else. If she felt like it, she could freeze time and complain about how Diana's hair stays so full of life in the middle of a brawl for example and then punch her silly and start time back up.
Originally posted by h1a8I posted what IMP stated weeks ago.
He confirmed that it has always been the rule.
Again, leaving the battlefield to get outside assistance from others shifts the focus away from the characters and onto their allies. This defeats the purpose of answering the question, "Who would win". It would also undermine the intent of the debate, which takes precedence over any specific rule.
Again no one's claiming outside assistance help. You have to agree rules yourself first because you're a bit all over the place. You think it's fine for Thor to summon Mjolnir from Hiro's home, but it's not fine for Hiro to grab his own sword from his own home in less than a second.
As for what IMP stated weeks ago, kindly post the link. Otherwise as far as we're concerned you could be stating him completely out of context, or just outright editing/making his responses up.
Originally posted by h1a8
You're the only one making this argument, while everyone else is saying otherwise. Have you read any of the other posts?That aside, you've already conceded the point by failing to provide strong *on-screen* evidence to support your claim.
You need to give a specific example of a fourth-wall-breaking tactic that She-Hulk would use to win, and back it up with on-screen evidence. Simply stating that she breaks the fourth wall and wins is too vague and doesn't explain how that actually leads to her victory.
Watch the show. What did Kevin actually do? He did nothing so why is it so hard for you to understand?
By being able to break the 4th wall, if Diana was landing hit after hit or something on those lines, Jen could just say "hold up for a second" and change where she is on the battlefield or tie Diana up with her own lasso in the shape of a sex swing. The options are limitless.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again no one's claiming outside assistance help. You have to agree rules yourself first because you're a bit all over the place. You think it's fine for Thor to summon Mjolnir from Hiro's home, but it's not fine for Hiro to grab his own sword from his own home in less than a second.As for what IMP stated weeks ago, kindly post the link. Otherwise as far as we're concerned you could be stating him completely out of context, or just outright editing/making his responses up.
They're supposedly from PMs.
Which, even if valid, are still just that - Private Messages. They hold as much weight as an interview with the writer's cousin's masseuse's mechanic.
If it's not in the rules thread, it's not a rule. Even if Imp sends a PM saying h1's private musings are gospel and take precedence over anything else, it's still just a PM.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that just ignores my point?You posting PM quotes on ANY topic is useless to me - because it's not in the rules thread. Takes precedence, doesn't take precedence - that sentence is not in the ruling thread, so it holds as much weight as Galan PMing me and saying I'm the bestest most special person in the world. So I don't need to address your point, because it's still not in the ruling thread, which you casually gloss over.
Pretty much. KingD rephrased it pretty well:
It's amusing how you continue to avoid addressing the key points you can't refute. Focusing on the PM issue still ignores my other point, which makes the PM argument irrelevant. Your choice to highlight an irrelevant detail while sidestepping the more significant issue speaks volumes. I'll respond to your argument in point 1 below.
1. IMP is fully capable of reading these posts himself. If I had lied about him, he would have seen it and called it out. I even directly quoted him. However, what he said isn't the crux of my point, which I will restate below. You need to address that. I cannot enforce any rule or "non-rule"; only a mod can do that. I also can't force you to accept what a mod conveyed in a PM. If you choose to reject IMP's statement, that's up to you. I've now fully addressed your concern. There's no need to further discuss a mod's statement of a rule.
2. The main issue is She-Hulk leaving the battle to seek assistance from Kevin. If that wasn’t the case, why argue about the rules? If She-Hulk doesn’t need Kevin, she wouldn’t leave the battlefield to get his help, making any discussion about the rules surrounding her leaving to get Kevin's assistance moot. It seems important for you to focus on the rules, likely because the argument that She-Hulk doesn’t need Kevin is either unfounded or, at best, extremely weak.
Here’s the point that needs to be addressed (see below in QUOTE). If neither you nor anyone else is arguing that She-Hulk will leave the battlefield to get outside assistance from Kevin, feel free to disregard the following. I'll gladly pivot the argument in a different direction.
1. These debates aim to determine which character would win in a direct fight. If a character leaves the battle to get outside assistance, it shifts the focus away from them and onto their allies, which defeats the purpose of answering the question, 'Who would win?' This undermines the debate's intent, which takes precedence over any specific rule. Arguing in favor of "outside interference" derails the discussion and borders on trolling.
Originally posted by tkitna
Watch the show. What did Kevin actually do? He did nothing so why is it so hard for you to understand?By being able to break the 4th wall, if Diana was landing hit after hit or something on those lines, Jen could just say "hold up for a second" and change where she is on the battlefield or tie Diana up with her own lasso in the shape of a sex swing. The options are limitless.
You have to prove that Jen can do such things. Forum rules says, "movie feats only". All we have seen is that Jen can speak to the audience while breaking the 4th wall, and also navigate the Disney app to go find Kevin.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nobody's arguing assistance from KEVIN.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again no one's claiming outside assistance help. You have to agree rules yourself first because you're a bit all over the place. You think it's fine for Thor to summon Mjolnir from Hiro's home, but it's not fine for Hiro to grab his own sword from his own home in less than a second.
Isn't that a contradiction on your part? You're claiming that She-Hulk doesn’t need help from Kevin, yet you're implying that she does by arguing that Hiro can go retrieve his sword from home, and so on. If She-Hulk truly doesn’t need help from Kevin (or anyone else), then there’s no need to continue discussing the rules. Do you agree?