She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman

You're missing the point. Whether she bullied, convinced, or used any other method to utilize Kevin, it doesn't matter. The fact remains that it was Kevin who changed the plot, not her. Without Kevin as an option, all she can do is break the fourth wall and talk to the audience—none of which would stop her from getting beaten.

Do you get it now?

You still don't get it (purposely probably). She didn't need Kevin to change anything. She could have done that herself. She just manipulated him into doing it for her instead.

Try to keep up.

Originally posted by tkitna
You still don't get it (purposely probably). She didn't need Kevin to change anything. She could have done that herself. She just manipulated him into doing it for her instead.

Try to keep up.

Prove it then. Prove she could have done what Kevin did without Kevin's assistance. On screen feats please. Then provide a logical reason why she chose not to do it on her own.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So if Prof X uses mind control to control others to fight for him, that doesnt count ?

DO YOU get it now ?

If Professor X can mind control others who are not on the battlefield while he remains on it, those mind-controlled individuals have access to the battlefield, and Professor X has the propensity to use such tactics, then it would be a viable strategy.

However, that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing Professor X leaving the battlefield first and then getting assistance from someone or something else.

Do you get it now?

Originally posted by h1a8
If Professor X can mind control others who are not on the battlefield while he remains on it, those mind-controlled individuals have access to the battlefield, and Professor X has the propensity to use such tactics, then it would be a viable strategy.

However, that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing Professor X leaving the battlefield first and then getting assistance from someone or something else.

Do you get it now?

Wrong. Try to keep up with your own claims.

You made 2 claims:

1) No leaving the battlefields.
2) No outside help.

As already mentioned you have conceded point 2 as long as it's done under the user's powers/abilities. Try to keep up and move on.

So back to point 1.

Can Azazel teleport people into the Sky to drop them like he does in First Class?

Can Hero teleport home for a second to grab his sword and thew teleport back?

^ Hiro*

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove it then. Prove she could have done what Kevin did without Kevin's assistance. On screen feats please. Then provide a logical reason why she chose not to do it on her own.

Dude she's in her She-Hulk form. Wth could anyone do to stop her?

Logical reason? Urm the fact that it's simpler and less violent for everyone if KEVIN agrees? Jeez you're getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove it then. Prove she could have done what Kevin did without Kevin's assistance. On screen feats please. Then provide a logical reason why she chose not to do it on her own.

😆 Are you serious? What is there to prove that hasen't been already? She hated the ending and got it changed by a method that wasn't violent. She manipulated Kevin instead of refusing on her own or worse yet, destroying him. She left with the results she went for without altercation.

Don't forget also that she was ready to bully the writers if she had to. She almost destroyed their table before they pointed her to Kevin.

Originally posted by tkitna
😆 Are you serious? What is there to prove that hasen't been already? She hated the ending and got it changed by a method that wasn't violent. She manipulated Kevin instead of refusing on her own or worse yet, destroying him. She left with the results she went for without altercation.

Don't forget also that she was ready to bully the writers if she had to. She almost destroyed their table before they pointed her to Kevin.

How does any of this prove the following claim?

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove it then. Prove she could have done what Kevin did without Kevin's assistance. On screen feats please.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Hiro*

Dude she's in her She-Hulk form. Wth could anyone do to stop her?

Logical reason? Urm the fact that it's simpler and less violent for everyone if KEVIN agrees? Jeez you're getting ridiculous.

Ko her, kill her, etc

Makes 0 sense and therefore not logical.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wrong. Try to keep up with your own claims.

You made 2 claims:

1) No leaving the battlefields.
2) No outside help.

As already mentioned you have conceded point 2 as long as it's done under the user's powers/abilities. Try to keep up and move on.

So back to point 1.

Can Azazel teleport people into the Sky to drop them like he does in First Class?

Can Hero teleport home for a second to grab his sword and thew teleport back?

What did Kevin do except talk and be bummed out because the ending was already ruined? Kevin didn't do anything and the ending was changed. What are you looking for here that isn't already obvious? *shrugs*

Originally posted by h1a8

Ko her, kill her, etc

How the heck are people in the "real" world going to KO or kill She-Hulk? Are you for real.

Originally posted by h1a8
Makes 0 sense and therefore not logical.

It makes sense to everyone except you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glad you agree that no character is allowed to leave the battlefield specifically to obtain outside assistance. End of discussion

I never agreed that. What are you reading exactly when you quote me?

You conceded on outside help as long as it was a natural/direct effect of their abilties/powers.

So we were ascertaining the same about leaving the battlefield for a split second (if even that), as another way to use one's natural powers/abilities.

So Ill ask again,

1) Can Azazel teleport his opponents into the Sky?

2) Can Hiro quickly teleport home to grab his sword?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How the heck are people in the "real" world going to KO or kill She-Hulk? Are you for real.

It makes sense to everyone except you.

I never agreed that. What are you reading exactly when you quote me?

You conceded on outside help as long as it was a natural/direct effect of their abilties/powers.

So we were ascertaining the same about leaving the battlefield for a split second (if even that), as another way to use one's natural powers/abilities.

So Ill ask again,

1) Can Azazel teleport his opponents into the Sky?

2) Can Hiro quickly teleport home to grab his sword?

She Hulk is fighting WW, not a real human.
Again, characters aren't allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain outside help from others.

Even if She Hulk was allowed to do so then it wouldn't work for the 4-5 reasons I named. So you are wasting your time with debating what a character is allowed to do by rules.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How the heck are people in the "real" world going to KO or kill She-Hulk? Are you for real.

It makes sense to everyone except you.

I never agreed that. What are you reading exactly when you quote me?

You conceded on outside help as long as it was a natural/direct effect of their abilties/powers.

So we were ascertaining the same about leaving the battlefield for a split second (if even that), as another way to use one's natural powers/abilities.

So Ill ask again,

1) Can Azazel teleport his opponents into the Sky?

2) Can Hiro quickly teleport home to grab his sword?

1. Teleportation and the Battlefield:
* Battlefield Boundaries: The sky is considered part of the battlefield.
* Temporary Teleportation: Nightcrawler, Azazel, and other characters with similar powers may temporarily leave the battlefield to teleport to different areas within it.
* External Assistance: Teleportation outside the battlefield to seek assistance from others is prohibited.
* Exceptions: The rules regarding teleportation apply to all characters, with the exception of those characters specifically mentioned.

2. Character Limitations:
* Equipment: Hiro is not allowed to teleport home to retrieve his sword, as standard equipment should be readily available.
* Outside Assistance: Characters are not allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain help from external sources. This rule applies to all characters, including She Hulk in her fight against Wonder Woman.
* Rule Adherence: Debating character abilities within the context of these rules is essential to maintain the integrity of the discussion.

There are 4-5 reasons mentioned earlier, unrelated to the rules or the original intent of the thread, that prevent She Hulk from obtaining assistance from Kevin. That is to say, those reasons are independent of any restrictions regarding leaving the battlefield or seeking external help.

Originally posted by tkitna
What did Kevin do except talk and be bummed out because the ending was already ruined? Kevin didn't do anything and the ending was changed. What are you looking for here that isn't already obvious? *shrugs*

The statement 'Kevin didn't do anything' undermines the rationale behind her coercion to get him to make changes. Your assertion that he made no changes while she did requires strong evidence. Without such, your argument fails.

Originally posted by h1a8
The statement 'Kevin didn't do anything' undermines the rationale behind her coercion to get him to make changes. Your assertion that he made no changes while she did requires strong evidence. Without such, your argument fails.

All the evidence that anybody should need is right there in the show. Kevin did nothing except for getting bummed out because She-Hulk ruined the ending. Why can't you comprhend that? There is no argument here. It's right there for you to watch.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Teleportation and the Battlefield:
* Battlefield Boundaries: The sky is considered part of the battlefield.
* Temporary Teleportation: Nightcrawler, Azazel, and other characters with similar powers may temporarily leave the battlefield to teleport to different areas within it.
* External Assistance: Teleportation outside the battlefield to seek assistance from others is prohibited.
* Exceptions: The rules regarding teleportation apply to all characters, with the exception of those characters specifically mentioned.

2. Character Limitations:
* Equipment: Hiro is not allowed to teleport home to retrieve his sword, as standard equipment should be readily available.
* Outside Assistance: Characters are not allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain help from external sources. This rule applies to all characters, including She Hulk in her fight against Wonder Woman.
* Rule Adherence: Debating character abilities within the context of these rules is essential to maintain the integrity of the discussion.

There are 4-5 reasons mentioned earlier, unrelated to the rules or the original intent of the thread, that prevent She Hulk from obtaining assistance from Kevin. That is to say, those reasons are independent of any restrictions regarding leaving the battlefield or seeking external help.

Where are you quoting these rules from? The Sky could be further away than Hiro's home.

So wait let's get this straight. Thor can leave Mjolnir at Hiro's house, and still use it because he can call it to him under his own power.

But Hiro can't leave his sword at his own home, and retrieve it in zero time by freezing time, teleporting to his home to pick it up, teleporting back then unfreezing time? All under HIS Own power/abilities.

Is that correct? I want you to really think about why you're hindering Hiro over Thor here.

Forget your 4-5 other nonsensical reasons after she breaks the 4th. Stick to the point and agree the rules about her breaking the 4th wall before you make further excuses.

These 'rules' all sound suspiciously made up. I have checked the official rules thread, and they are not there. H1 can try and format the text all he wants, it changes nothing

Until the Movie Vs rules thread is updated, even if Impediment makes a video and posts himself reading these words out, they're not forum rules, merely his views - despite what H1 desperately wants us to think. There's a reason we ask mods to 'make a ruling'. Asking their opinions is not it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
These 'rules' all sound suspiciously made up. I have checked the official rules thread, and they are not there. H1 can try and format the text all he wants, it changes nothing

Until the Movie Vs rules thread is updated, even if Impediment makes a video and posts himself reading these words out, they're not forum rules, merely his views - despite what H1 desperately wants us to think. There's a reason we ask mods to 'make a ruling'. Asking their opinions is not it.

So a character leaving the battlefield to obtain outside assistance from another being wouldnt be against the rules or against the original intent?

So every character A vs character B thread is really a character A and all their associates against character B and all their associates thread? How would that determine who wins in a strict character A vs character B fight? IMP stated those were the rules. He did not state his opinion. Although his opinion ARE THE RULES.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Where are you quoting these rules from? The Sky could be further away than Hiro's home.

So wait let's get this straight. Thor can leave Mjolnir at Hiro's house, and still use it because he can call it to him under his own power.

But Hiro can't leave his sword at his own home, and retrieve it in zero time by freezing time, teleporting to his home to pick it up, teleporting back then unfreezing time? All under HIS Own power/abilities.

Is that correct? I want you to really think about why you're hindering Hiro over Thor here.

Forget your 4-5 other nonsensical reasons after she breaks the 4th. Stick to the point and agree the rules about her breaking the 4th wall before you make further excuses.

This is a forum fight. If the stips are that Thor doesn't have Mjolnir then he doesn't during the entire fight. Also, Mjolnir would be in another universe if Thor doesn't already have it.

Hiro is not allowed to leave the battlefield to obtain outside assistance. It defeats the purpose of the thread. His sword would be in another universe anyway if he doesn't have it at the start of the battle.

That is to say, your hypothetical situations fail because a forum fight is in a neutral universe, not in the one where the combatants live.

The 4-5 reasons make her receiving help from Kevin an impossibility, even if the rules allowed it. Therefore, we are debating for shits and giggles. I have said this multiple times.

Originally posted by tkitna
All the evidence that anybody should need is right there in the show. Kevin did nothing except for getting bummed out because She-Hulk ruined the ending. Why can't you comprhend that? There is no argument here. It's right there for you to watch.

Present the strong evidence or accept defeat.

Who would win if both characters fought each other without outside assistance of any kind?

This is the intent of every thread. Even mentioning outside assistance is derailing the thread or pure trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8

Present the strong evidence or accept defeat.

I did present the evidence. Watch the show or shut up. Kevin did nothing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who would win if both characters fought each other without outside assistance of any kind?

This is the intent of every thread. Even mentioning outside assistance is derailing the thread or pure trolling.

Well if She-Hulk is going to get nerfed and is not allowed to use all of her abilities than I guess the character you want to win wins.

Originally posted by tkitna
I did present the evidence. Watch the show or shut up. Kevin did nothing.