She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
Wonder Woman lifted the tank at a peculiar angle, grasping it by the corner, which meant the majority of the weight was away from her. This situation is similar to trying to lift a chair by one of its legs (as in the strength challenge) and holding it in that manner.

Additionally, Wonder Woman smiled while holding the tank (when thinking about Steve and love), indicating that this feat was casual for her.

To estimate a lower bound of Wonder Woman's lifting capability, we can use two factors:

1. **Factor A:** This accounts for the difficulty of lifting an object at a challenging angle. For example, a 10 lb chair can feel like lifting a 100 lb chair when lifted by one leg, suggesting A = 10.

2. **Factor B:** This accounts for the casual nature of her lift. When something is done effortlessly (with a natural smile), it's reasonable to assume one can apply more than 4 times the usual force, so B = 4.

Multiplying these factors together gives us a combined factor of A times B = 40. Therefore, Wonder Woman can potentially lift AT LEAST 40 times the weight of the tank.

Thats a long post for basically saying nothing. So you came up with a feat that she can potentially lift somthing at least 40 times the weight of the tank.

And,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,. What is this suppossed to prove?

Average weight of tanks around that period were about 30 tons, So you think WW is a 1200 tonner do you? 😆

Originally posted by KingD19
I'll rephrase for DarkSaint. Jen possesses the power to "Break the 4th Wall". It doesn't stop at K.E.V.I.N. as she literally came into the real world in the Marvel Offices, and it is supported by Deadpool & Wolverine with DP headbutting the camera and explaining how he breaks the 4th Wall. Breaking the 4th Wall is breaking the 4th wall and doesn't get nullified when she's somewhere else. If she felt like it, she could freeze time and complain about how Diana's hair stays so full of life in the middle of a brawl for example and then punch her silly and start time back up.

Pretty much. It's an inherent power she has, as seen throughout the show.

Originally posted by tkitna
Clark wasn't staggered, but his head did move so there's that I guess. Let's just be careful to not get strength and durability mixed up here.

The sub feat was good, but it doesn't mean other characters like Jen couldn't replicate something in the same weight range. She hurt the Hulk. The same Hulk that was supporting the weight of a whole hillside and building that was going to crush his friends.

Diana lifted and flipped a tank. She Hulk casually tossed a car a good distance. I don't see in any world where she couldn't duplicate the tank feat.

I'd also like to add that there's no proof that Aquaman is as strong outside of water as he is in water. He has no feats outside of water to equal the submarine feat.

And the strength comparison is with WW to out-of-water Arthur, not in-water Arthur.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'd also like to add that there's no proof that Aquaman is as strong outside of water as he is in water. He has no feats outside of water to equal the submarine feat.

And the strength comparison is with WW to out-of-water Arthur, not in-water Arthur.

It's literally a part of his powerset that he's stronger underwater, so you're not wrong. Astronomically so, if the submarine feat is any indication.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'll rephrase for DarkSaint. Jen possesses the power to "Break the 4th Wall". It doesn't stop at K.E.V.I.N. as she literally came into the real world in the Marvel Offices, and it is supported by Deadpool & Wolverine with DP headbutting the camera and explaining how he breaks the 4th Wall. Breaking the 4th Wall is breaking the 4th wall and doesn't get nullified when she's somewhere else. If she felt like it, she could freeze time and complain about how Diana's hair stays so full of life in the middle of a brawl for example and then punch her silly and start time back up.

In a forum fight there is no such thing as breaking the 4th wall. Some idiot here made that shit up as a way for her to be powerful. Everyone joined the bandwagon. There is no 4th wall in a forum fight. This isn't a show or movie where there are cameras on the 4th wall.
Plus breaking the 4th wall acknowledges that everything is just pretend (actors, cameras, script, etc).

Originally posted by tkitna
Thats a long post for basically saying nothing. So you came up with a feat that she can potentially lift somthing at least 40 times the weight of the tank.

And,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,. What is this suppossed to prove?

Average weight of tanks around that period were about 30 tons, So you think WW is a 1200 tonner do you? 😆

Well, A = 10 might be excessive. A person can struggle to lift a 20 lb chair at a bad angle even if they can lift 100 lb normally. So, A = 5 is more reasonable. WW can lift at least 600 tons.

Let me ask you a couple of questions:
1. If a character lifts something with a fraction of their strength, would you assume they can lift something several times heavier in a forum discussion?
2. If a character lifts something with poor leverage, would you assume they can lift something several times heavier with optimal leverage?

Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum fight there is no such thing as breaking the 4th wall. Some idiot here made that shit up as a way for her to be powerful. Everyone joined the bandwagon. There is no 4th wall in a forum fight. This isn't a show or movie where there are cameras on the 4th wall.
Plus breaking the 4th wall acknowledges that everything is just pretend (actors, cameras, script, etc).

But.....it IS pretend.....
But if you have the forum ruling saying no 4th wall breaking, or that you need to remove one of She-Hulk's powers for WW to have a chance, go for it.

Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum fight there is no such thing as breaking the 4th wall. Some idiot here made that shit up as a way for her to be powerful. Everyone joined the bandwagon. There is no 4th wall in a forum fight. This isn't a show or movie where there are cameras on the 4th wall.
Plus breaking the 4th wall acknowledges that everything is just pretend (actors, cameras, script, etc).

It's an official part of her power set. Deal with it.

A better argument for you would be- we don't know she could convince K.E.V.I.N to have her win the fight. Ergo it's speculation what any outcome of that would be.

You could also argue that it's not in character for her to do this just because she's losing a fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let me ask you a couple of questions:
1. If a character lifts something with a fraction of their strength, would you assume they can lift something several times heavier in a forum discussion?
2. If a character lifts something with poor leverage, would you assume they can lift something several times heavier with optimal leverage?

1. How are we to know if its a fraction of their strength or an upper limit of their strength? By facial expressions and grunts? This is where your math equasions and assumptions have major flaws. Unless something is directly said or actual numbers are shown, there is no possible way to determine a characters limits.

Ex - How do we know WW wouldn't have struggled with a tank just 10 more tons heavier? How do we know She Hulk could or couldn't have thrown the car further? We don't know.

2. Sure, we can assume so, but we don't know how much more.

Ex - She Hulk threw a car. Can she throw the same car a couple of blocks? A couple of miles? Who knows? She threw a boulder a pretty good distance. Bruce threw the same boulder out of Earths atmosphere, but Jen still hurt him. So where do we draw the line?

You can't figure out strength limits to fictional characters like these. You can only guess and assume by what you see on film and to me Jen seemed a bit more impressive in the strength department. Just my opinion.

Once again, I feel they are pretty close in the strength department, but Diana would slaughter her in an actual fight. It wouldn't come down to strength. Jen has no answer for her speed, flight, fighting skills, and accessories.

The 4th wall thing is an angle I never even thought about. Has she ever used it to actually change the outcome of any situation? I honestly can't remember.

Originally posted by tkitna
The 4th wall thing is an angle I never even thought about. Has she ever used it to actually change the outcome of any situation? I honestly can't remember.

Yeah in the last episode she changed the ending.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah in the last episode she changed the ending.

Crap, your right. So its a legitimate option.

Jen might be the most powerful character in all comic movies.

She is definitely in contention. Mr Nobody is another one

Originally posted by tkitna
The 4th wall thing is an angle I never even thought about. Has she ever used it to actually change the outcome of any situation? I honestly can't remember.

She also does it when hiding her date's sweater so he can't wear it and stay in his vest.....

Originally posted by tkitna
1. How are we to know if its a fraction of their strength or an upper limit of their strength? By facial expressions and grunts? This is where your math equasions and assumptions have major flaws. Unless something is directly said or actual numbers are shown, there is no possible way to determine a characters limits.

Ex - How do we know WW wouldn't have struggled with a tank just 10 more tons heavier? How do we know She Hulk could or couldn't have thrown the car further? We don't know.

2. Sure, we can assume so, but we don't know how much more.

Ex - She Hulk threw a car. Can she throw the same car a couple of blocks? A couple of miles? Who knows? She threw a boulder a pretty good distance. Bruce threw the same boulder out of Earths atmosphere, but Jen still hurt him. So where do we draw the line?

You can't figure out strength limits to fictional characters like these. You can only guess and assume by what you see on film and to me Jen seemed a bit more impressive in the strength department. Just my opinion.

Once again, I feel they are pretty close in the strength department, but Diana would slaughter her in an actual fight. It wouldn't come down to strength. Jen has no answer for her speed, flight, fighting skills, and accessories.

1. Watch the scene where she thinks about Steve saying the he loves her. She is scene smiling and very happy. Therefore she is lifting the tank with only a fraction of her strength. It's about percentage. It's impossible to casually lift something and then struggle to lift something that's 10% heavier. That's the status quo. Therefore if you disagree then you have to provide significant evidence to overturn the status quo.

2. We don't need to know exactly how much more but a general low level average would suffice.

3. That's because you are not very familiar with physics. You think throwing a car a short distance is peers or greater than lifting a tank at a weird angle (lifting a chair with one left with little leverage).? Or breaking several layers of solid steel into millions of dust-like pieces is that same as just breaking it in half. Or busting 50-100 tons of concrete with a single blow is somehow equivalent to throwing a boulder a 100-200 feet or so.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's an official part of her power set. Deal with it.

A better argument for you would be- we don't know she could convince K.E.V.I.N to have her win the fight. Ergo it's speculation what any outcome of that would be.

You could also argue that it's not in character for her to do this just because she's losing a fight.

If you disagree then prove it is.

There is no camera crew, television set, etc in a forum fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She also does it when hiding her date's sweater so he can't wear it and stay in his vest.....

Lol she threw the sweater behind the couch. Whether or not she looks at us prior wouldn't have change that outcome.

And when she talks to KEVIN he tells her that she is expensive and change to Jen when the camera is off her because the visual effects team is doing something else.

All she can really do is talk to the audience. Breaking the 4th wall only allows her access in the Disney plus Marvel menu system.
In a forum there is no show, visual effects team, disney plus app to navigate, etc.

Breaking the 4th wall for the win.

Originally posted by tkitna
Crap, your right. So its a legitimate option.

Jen might be the most powerful character in all comic movies.

Yes. You need someone like time-master Loki to compete with her.

I'm glad I brought it up