Zod vs Wonder Woman

Does Orion has the fts? If so, show me. Can Orion keep up with WW?

Does she have the feats that all top speedsters have then?

She has better just like Supergirl has FAR better speed fts than Zod. Like you said slower characters (Zod) tag faster characters (Kara) all of the time.

Originally posted by carver9
She has better just like Supergirl has FAR better speed fts than Zod. Like you said slower characters (Zod) tag faster characters (Kara) all of the time.

Yeah but I was talking about extended conversations? Not tagging

His fight with Rogol Zaar also took place over a few seconds.

Diana's speed feats are all momentary. Carver cries "blitz" a bunch but it's all single attacks. Nothing even like Zod's extended blitz of Kyle Rayner, which I can't really see Diana doing even though she's supposedly fast enough.

At the same time I can't see Diana getting blitzed the way Kyle did... but his feats are more impressive. IMO it's enough that she should be starting the fight on her back foot.

Zod was amped by two yellow suns when he blitzed Kyle, though.

Is Zod faster than Cheetah?

Originally posted by TGATES
Zod was amped by two yellow suns when he blitzed Kyle, though.

Is Zod faster than Cheetah?

Using ABC can be iffy, though. Steve Trevor has tied Cheetah up before she could react, Batman has just punched her in the face. Not saying it doesn't have it's place, just that it can be iffy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Using ABC can be iffy, though. Steve Trevor has tied Cheetah up before she could react, Batman has just punched her in the face. Not saying it doesn't have it's place, just that it can be iffy.

But the people on Zod's side of the argument have to prove that his perception speed would be relevant in a fight against the likes of WW.

For instance, it was not relevant here.

That was retconned away, no?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That was retconned away, no?

Oh ok.

But even worse, she does have her showings against Kara, who has superspeed perceptions.

Again, how does that matter as an asset in a fight against her?

I can say how her weapons and her superior combat training matter, though.

Originally posted by TGATES
Oh ok.

But even worse, she does have her showings against Kara, who has superspeed perceptions.

Again, how does that matter as an asset in a fight against her?

I can say how her weapons and her superior combat training matter, though.

But again, this is just ABC. WW gets handled ever since n52 by Batman, despite her training, speed, and strength, for example. So that's even worse.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But again, this is just ABC. WW gets handled ever since n52 by Batman, despite her training, speed, and strength, for example. So that's even worse.

That is against forum rules.

All opponents are assumed to be working at full capacity. And since full capacity is hardly consistently shown, do we not use averages?

On average, Kryptonian speed does not seem to be the deciding factor when fighting WW.

There's also the comparison with Aquaman:

Originally posted by Philosophía
Aquaman vs Wonder Woman comparison

I will split it into 'post Geoff Johns' [i.e. after Brightest Day] and 'pre-Geoff Johns' to make a distinction between portrayals.

[b]One v One fights between Diana and Arthur

1). post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927976/AquamanvsWW1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927977/AquamanvsWW2.jpg.html

2).post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19591317/Aquaman_2011-_-_Annual_002-016.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19591318/Aquaman_2011-_-_Annual_002-017.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19591319/Aquaman_2011-_-_Annual_002-018.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19591320/Aquaman_2011-_-_Annual_002-019.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19591321/Aquaman_2011-_-_Annual_002-023.jpg.html

3).post Geoff Johns
https://postimg.cc/image/x7poyg42l/
https://postimg.cc/image/je1c9bbgd/
https://postimg.cc/image/f4wm78fxp/

4).post Geoff Johns
Flashpoint Aquaman vs Flashpoint Wonder Woman
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223866-fpaqua+06.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223867-fpaqua+07.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223870-fpaqua+08.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223898-fpaqua+09.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223913-fpaqua+10a.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223915-fpaqua+11.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137442/3223930-fpaqua+14.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/3223933-fpaqua+15.jpg

Common opponents

Batman - Pre Geoff Johns

[young]Aquaman vs Batman [probably Arthur's lowest combat showing ever...only beat by him having trouble with the Joker earlier. This is probably non-canon, but it's the only fight they've had afaik, so...]
http://i.imgur.com/9UxZC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yzDiP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qyMtI.jpg

Wonder Woman:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7fd30b5a0626a96fc353d6a1b2915b61.webp
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1620cf4210182be45d1be1c4a8ba24ae.webp
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-be4a3fbabf49b39f857a97c233d2bf3c.webp

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http://i.imgur.com/jiHeF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9pG3o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7TDD2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U6J47.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cu0G6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARgqg.jpg

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https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/wonder-woman-beats-batman-wonder-woman-the-hiketeia-1.jpg?w=620&h=962
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/wonder-woman-beats-batman-wonder-woman-the-hiketeia-2.jpg?w=620&h=956
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/wonder-woman-beats-batman-wonder-woman-the-hiketeia-3.jpg?w=620&h=942
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/wonder-woman-beats-batman-wonder-woman-the-hiketeia-4.jpg?w=620&h=965
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/wonder-woman-beats-batman-wonder-woman-the-hiketeia-5.jpg?w=620&h=695

Deathstroke

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136383/3649617-2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136383/3649618-3.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136383/3649619-4.jpg

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924010/WWDeathstroke1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924011/WWDeathstroke2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924012/WWDeathstroke3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924013/WWDeathstroke4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924014/WWDeathstroke5.jpg.html

Despero

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns, but written by Geoff Johns, lol
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589211-8210915011-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589212-6859680307-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589213-6954535201-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589214-4319277915-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4589215-5845396020-marti.jpg

WW
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/998912-jlajsavv_82.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/998913-jlajsavv_84.jpg

Mera

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927862/MeraAq1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927863/MeraAq2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927864/MeraAq3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927865/MeraAq4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927866/MeraAq5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927867/MeraAq6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927868/MeraAq7.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927869/MeraAq8.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927870/MeraAq9.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927871/MeraAq10.jpg.html

WW [Black Lantern]
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927874/MeraWW1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927875/MeraWW2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927876/MeraWW3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927877/MeraWW4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927878/MeraWW5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927879/MeraWW6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927880/MeraWW7.jpg.html

Shaggy Man

Aquaman - post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927910/AqShaggy1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927911/AqShaggy2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927912/AqShaggy3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927913/AqShaggy4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927914/AqShaggy5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927915/AqShaggy6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927916/AqShaggy7.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927917/AqShaggy8.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927918/AqShaggy9.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927919/AqShaggy10.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927920/AqShaggy11.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927921/AqShaggy12.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927922/AqShaggy13.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927923/AqShaggy14.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927924/AqShaggy15.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927925/AqShaggy16.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927926/AqShaggy17.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927927/AqShaggy18.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927928/AqShaggy19.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927929/AqShaggy20.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927930/AqShaggy21.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927931/AqShaggy22.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927932/AqShaggy23.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927933/AqShaggy24.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927934/AqShaggy25.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927935/AqShaggy26.jpg.html

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927946/WWShaggy1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927947/WWShaggy2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927948/WWShaggy3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927949/WWShaggy4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38927950/WWShaggy5.jpg.html

Superman

Aquaman - post Geoff Johns
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-1.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-2.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-3.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-4.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-6.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-7.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-8.png

Would waste too much space listing all of WW's.

White Martian

Aquaman - Pre Geoff Johns
https://imgur.com/a/bBKS7

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924447/WWMartian1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38924448/WWMartian2.jpg.html

I will try to post some more when I get the time... [/B]

Originally posted by TGATES
That is against forum rules.

All opponents are assumed to be working at full capacity. And since full capacity is hardly consistently shown, do we not use averages?

On average, Kryptonian speed does not seem to be the deciding factor when fighting WW.

On average, WW gets handled by Batman. Hell, I would go as far as everytime they've faced off, they've seemed pretty equal. WW has - consistently - never shown any huge speed advantage when fighting Batman.

I thought we don't use averages, Saint? Forum rules, Diana smokes Aquaman and Batman.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought we don't use averages, Saint? Forum rules, Diana smokes Aquaman and Batman.

Yeah, which is why I said EVERY time Batman has faced WW since Flashpoint he's held his own, she has definitely not shown her famed super combat speed.
Average, low, high, whatever you want to use - EVERY time these two faced each other, her speed hasn't left him standing still.
In any case, reread the posts you fool. Tgates was the one who brought averages up, not I lmao.

Originally posted by TGATES
Zod was amped by two yellow suns when he blitzed Kyle, though.

Is Zod faster than Cheetah?

Either way, the broader point is just that Diana's speed is vaunted and she was wayyyyy more appearances and yet no real clear cut blitzes like that.

Didn't Zod statue Mongul while Mongul was looking right at him? And yet, when Diana fights Mongul...........

Originally posted by carver9
Zod one shotting Supergirl is PIS. In a forum setting, Supergirl is physically above him in every way possible.

Sure thing buddy.

Originally posted by TGATES
Zod was amped by two yellow suns when he blitzed Kyle, though.

Is Zod faster than Cheetah?

Originally posted by TGATES
Oh ok.

But even worse, she does have her showings against Kara, who has superspeed perceptions.

Again, how does that matter as an asset in a fight against her?

I can say how her weapons and her superior combat training matter, though.

Originally posted by Smurph
Does the additional sun make him faster?

Either way, the broader point is just that Diana's speed is vaunted and she was wayyyyy more appearances and yet no real clear cut blitzes like that.

Didn't Zod statue Mongul while Mongul was looking right at him? And yet, when Diana fights Mongul...........

Yeah it was pretty bad: