I think everybody agrees that WW is fast. But against Zod it's at best a wash.
I think the fight goes a bit like her fights against Superman or Amazo (since we can't get off that topic) in that she can hold her own for a moment but will get overpowered.
I started the thread thinking maybe her weapons would eke out the edge but Carver has convinced me. Zod takes it.
Originally posted by carver9
Says the guy using humans saying Doomsday and Superman were moving in a blur. You're the most hypocritical troll I've ever seen on this site. TROLL!!!
Doomsday was also faster than Flash, but you never accepted character statements. Are you, then, a hypocritical troll?
Of the two of us, only one of us has a mod actually calling a hypocrite:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Carver, maybe try not being such a hypocrite for five ****ing seconds.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Get ****ed, troll.
Oh wait sorry, wrong mod:
Originally posted by Galan007
You used to have a difficult time with overall reading comprehension -- you were physically/mentally incapable of grasping even the simplest of concepts at times. But again: I can work with legitimate learning disabilities, so it never bothered me much.But now you have graduated from a genuine lack of basic reading comprehension skills, to flagrantly LYING about the happenings of a comic, simply because you can't just man-up and admit you got it wrong. As I said above: it's sickening, and completely unbecoming... Even for you. Stop it. 👆
...Though I did have a chuckle when you called me a troll. 😂
Originally posted by Smurph
I think everybody agrees that WW is fast. But against Zod it's at best a wash.I think the fight goes a bit like her fights against Superman or Amazo (since we can't get off that topic) in that she can hold her own for a moment but will get overpowered.
I started the thread thinking maybe her weapons would eke out the edge but Carver has convinced me. Zod takes it.
This was.....actually precisely my train of thought:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
😂 sure..Anyway, with her gear, WW 6/10.
I'm actually getting convinced the more straws are grasped at and the more I re-read the old comics, that yeah, Zod would win. WW would make him work for it, and would actually look decent at the start, but it can't last and she falls.
Originally posted by Smurph
I think everybody agrees that WW is fast. But against Zod it's at best a wash.I think the fight goes a bit like her fights against Superman or Amazo (since we can't get off that topic) in that she can hold her own for a moment but will get overpowered.
I started the thread thinking maybe her weapons would eke out the edge but Carver has convinced me. Zod takes it.
Now this is a more reasonable post instead of the idiotic crap Darksaint is saying. How did I convince you she would lose.
Originally posted by carver9First, Zod's damage soak is off the charts, even for a kryptonian. You try to lowball by focusing on times when he got tagged, but the guy tanks attacks that would level Diana, and when he does get physically harmed it doesn't matter -- whether he's letting Superman punch him in the face, or fighting with an exposed brain, or sliced open with a kryptonite sword. Unlike Wonder Woman, none of that slows him down.
Now this is a more reasonable post instead of the idiotic crap Darksaint is saying. How did I convince you she would lose.
Second, he hits like a truck. Overwhelming strength. And there's no way to get around the fact that he one shotted Kara. He was portrayed as clearly superior to the combined forces of Superman's other rogues.
Third, I'm fine calling speed a wash. I think Zod could actually keep speeding up over the course of the fight while Diana begins to flag, but if we're talking stats at the outset of the fight, I don't think either is definitively faster out the gate.
So her only shot is the lasso but you're focusing on the Amazo and Sacrifice fights and the lasso isn't enough in any of those. She can still get knocked out and overpowered. And this us looking at every weapon in her arsenal without even touching on Zod's other powers.
She'll get some hits in at first, and then Zod will run her over.
Originally posted by Smurph
First, Zod's damage soak is off the charts, even for a kryptonian. You try to lowball by focusing on times when he got tagged, but the guy tanks attacks that would level Diana, and when he does get physically harmed it doesn't matter -- whether he's letting Superman punch him in the face, or fighting with an exposed brain, or sliced open with a kryptonite sword. Unlike Wonder Woman, none of that slows him down.Second, he hits like a truck. Overwhelming strength. And there's no way to get around the fact that he one shotted Kara. He was portrayed as clearly superior to the combined forces of Superman's other rogues.
Third, I'm fine calling speed a wash. I think Zod could actually keep speeding up over the course of the fight while Diana begins to flag, but if we're talking stats at the outset of the fight, I don't think either is definitively faster out the gate.
So her only shot is the lasso but you're focusing on the Amazo and Sacrifice fights and the lasso isn't enough in any of those. She can still get knocked out and overpowered. And this us looking at every weapon in her arsenal without even touching on Zod's other powers.
She'll get some hits in at first, and then Zod will run her over.
Lol... you all were the ones that started with the lowballing. Alright, let me address these points and we can keep speed at a wash.
With weapons active, I'm giving this to Diana. Without weapons, I'm giving this to Zod. Her lasso, WILL HOLD Zod, so the only thing I need to prove is that she can get it around him. I've already posted in this thread the times she's tied up both Amazo and Supergirl. She does the same to Zoom...
She ties up Flash who was stuck in super speed mode...
She ties up Superman who was controlled by Circe...
She does the same to Powergirl, Martian Manhunter, an amped Supergirl, etc, etc...
There shouldn't be any doubts that she could do the same to Zod. Just to add icing on the cake, she was also able to attack Black Adam first before he could land a lick on her and temp ko him...
Now we just need to know if she can hurt him and while I do think her punches would eventually ko him, that'll probably take time. This is where I think her blade would do the trick. We've seen magical blades pierce Zod, but we've also seen WW blades pierce beings just as durable as Zod.
Here she cuts Superman throat...
Her sword slice Superman face...
A Wonder Woman with gear has proven she can wrap up beings with far better speed showings than Zod, and this is consistent for her. The only way to discredit any of this is to ignore everything she's done. The only thing I needed to prove is if Zod can be harmed if he is wrapped up and the proof is there as well.
Originally posted by Smurph
Counterpoint:
Scan also mentions him being faster than Clark who has FAR better speed fts than Zod. Also, I counter your counter...
If she can do, WW can do it even easier.
Originally posted by carver9Neither point is relevant, since speed is a wash, as you said. Scan mentions Amazo being "fast as me" - same scenario we're discussing here.
Scan also mentions him being faster than Clark who has FAR better speed fts than Zod. Also, I counter your counter...If she can do, WW can do it even easier.
Also, to be clear, you're lowballing - I can start lowballing too, but you certainly can't ***** and complain about it.
Originally posted by Smurph
Neither point is relevant, since speed is a wash, as you said. Scan mentions Amazo being "fast as me" - same scenario we're discussing here.Also, to be clear, you're lowballing - I can start lowballing too, but you certainly can't ***** and complain about it.
Gotcha. Do you have someone of flesh doing the same because the lasso literally controls people. Do you have any showings proving Zod can resist its magical abilities of control.
You showed me a robot doing it.
She has even controlled the Stranger with it. You're going to have to dig real deep to prove Zod can resist this before getting curbed.
Sure, here:
Originally posted by carver9As I said, you convinced me.
Originally posted by carver9She compels Stranger to tell the truth.
She has even controlled the Stranger with it. You're going to have to dig real deep to prove Zod can resist this before getting curbed.
I have never argued that Zod will lie while lassoed.