Well it's pretty important. You're claiming she can enthrall anybody because she enthralled a Minotaur (a creature of Greek myth) using her lasso (which is empowered by Greek myth).
But instead of Minotaur you're saying she compelled a Monitor to do something, because you can't spell.
And obviously that would be a wildly more impressive feat.
Originally posted by carver91. No, that's just not true. He told the truth because the lasso made him. Nobody is claiming Zod could lie under the lasso's influence.
1. And he did all of that because the lasso made him do it. Before he was fighting, after the lasso he was submissive. Get it?2. Yes, she made a Monitor stop with the lasso when she told him to stop.
3. Zod is defenseless against Magic. The point of the scan is to show it can control someone's thoughts. Show me Zod defenses against said attack or it works. It's just that simple. She also controlled a Superman who was in a rage from the flames on Darkseid planet. Is this not control to you? He was trying to punch her and was forced to stop by the lasso? Them going from aggressive to not aggressive IS controlling...
2. lol, see previous post
3. Zod has defenses against having his thoughts controlled.
Carver, your argument is built on nothing. Zod isn't under some sort of illusory effect or outside influence that the lasso can help dispel. He isn't a Minotaur. There isnt a plot device at play where if he answers a question truthfully he'll stop attacking or be whisked away by the presence.
None of these scans are relevant.
We know that people can keep attacking while lassoed. If they have a gun, they can fire it. If Wonder Woman is within melee range, they can punch her. If she takes a hit or is otherwise distracted, they can simply loosen the lasso and be free.
And to be clear, none of this is a concession that Zod would get ensnared. But this is your big argument at its very height, and it is based on you fundamentally misunderstanding the character you're arguing for.
The simple truth is that Zod punches Wonder Woman's lights out. The lasso doesn't change the outcome.
The lasso can also attack the soul of a person. Here it's used against Jon attacking his soul...
https://imgur.com/a/lasso-can-attack-soul-PVwbE
Used again here by Genocide...
https://imgur.com/a/genocide-tortures-etta-candys-soul-with-lasso-gscDC
Use the lasso again to soul napalm a group of people...
And yes, Diana uses it as well and as shown above, is well aware of the lasso soul raping people...
https://imgur.com/a/going-into-captain-nazis-soul-learns-his-past-lqlxx
Lol... I don't get why you don't think the lasso doesn't play a huge role here and Zod has some kind of defense against it. Every scan I presented shows people being less hostile. He doesn't have a defense against it, and he sure as hell has no way of protecting his soul from being tampered with either. Maybe you'll show me something showing that he does.
Originally posted by carver9The Genocide feats are irrelevant, since feats don't transfer.
The lasso can also attack the soul of a person. Here it's used against Jon attacking his soul...https://imgur.com/a/lasso-can-attack-soul-PVwbE
Used again here by Genocide...
https://imgur.com/a/genocide-tortures-etta-candys-soul-with-lasso-gscDC
Use the lasso again to soul napalm a group of people...
And yes, Diana uses it as well and as shown above, is well aware of the lasso soul raping people...
https://imgur.com/a/going-into-captain-nazis-soul-learns-his-past-lqlxx
Lol... I don't get why you don't think the lasso doesn't play a huge role here and Zod has some kind of defense against it. Every scan I presented shows people being less hostile. He doesn't have a defense against it, and he sure as hell has no way of protecting his soul from being tampered with either. Maybe you'll show me something showing that he does.
Diana using the lasso to, uh... help Captain Nazi get in touch with his inner child? ... is beyond irrelevant.
As Darksaint said earlier, it's the way you're grasping at straws that makes me more convinced that Zod wins. Like, THIS is your best case? Wonder Woman using the lasso to tell Nazi that his mom was a whore? Not exactly a forum win.
And meanwhile, as Amazo showed, none of that stops her from getting punched in the face.
Originally posted by carver9There's also a consistency of her failing to do so (Sacrifice) or doing so only to get clobbered (Amazo).
Also you're going to have to show me something proving Zod is faster than the people she has already wrapped up in her lasso. The consistency of her doing this against people who are much faster than Zod is proof she can do the same thing to him with no issues at all.
The problem with trying to lasso Zod is that it will just give Zod a tether making it that much easier to bring the fight to melee range. See also, Phantom Stranger catching the lasso and using it to attack her.
Originally posted by Smurph
There's also a consistency of her failing to do so (Sacrifice) or doing so only to get clobbered (Amazo).The problem with trying to lasso Zod is that it will just give Zod a tether making it that much easier to bring the fight to melee range. See also, Phantom Stranger catching the lasso and using it to attack her.
You know why it failed in Sacrifice. You know why it didn't work on a Robot. 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
I showed you it manipulating people. I showed you it tampering with souls and Diana being WELL AWARE of it.
I showed you it controlling people and you denying it will do the same to Zod even though he weak against magic. You're just acting stubborn at this point. I asked you on MULTIPLE of occasions to show me Zod resisting mind illusions, and you showed absolutely nothing.
We will have to agree to disagree because I havent seen a single thing from you countering anything I've said. Till then, Diana ties him up and cut him to shreds
Originally posted by carver9No, it failed in the first fight in Sacrifice. In the second fight she simply couldn't get the lasso around Superman.
You know why it failed in Sacrifice. You know why it didn't work on a Robot. 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
If having telepathic barriers is enough to mean the lasso has no effect, then it's bad news for her in this fight.
Originally posted by carver9What exactly are you suggesting it would do here? Make Zod cry about bad childhood memories?
I showed you it manipulating people. I showed you it tampering with souls and Diana being WELL AWARE of it.
There are no plot points to manipulate or big hidden truths to reveal. If Diana tries to use the lasso to bare the truths of Zod's soul, he will truthfully beat the shit out of her.
Originally posted by carver9https://imgur.com/63OYhE5
You're just acting stubborn at this point. I asked you on MULTIPLE of occasions to show me Zod resisting mind illusions, and you showed absolutely nothing.
Yeah. Firstly, for all the talk about a mind controlled Superman, he still was too fast for her to get the lasso around him when they fought on Earth.
Now I know I know, that's Superman, not Zod. But remember, we are saying Zod and WW are comparable in speed, and according to Carver, WW is FASTER than Superman. Ergo, Zod is equal to/faster than Superman.
And Superman did this:
So that's one point.
Second point is as Smurph pointed out - so what? Her hands are now holding a lasso. He uses his HV. She drops the lasso to block. He slips out. Or, she gets burned. It makes him.....see the truth of his actions? Tell her about his childhood on Krypton? What fanciful (MASTERFUL!!! as TGATES would say) scenario needs to be cooked up, whilst Zod just has to......HV away, HV that is powerful enough to blow his own skull off.
Originally posted by Smurph
No, it failed in the first fight in Sacrifice. In the second fight she simply couldn't get the lasso around Superman.If having telepathic barriers is enough to mean the lasso has no effect, then it's bad news for her in this fight.
What exactly are you suggesting it would do here? Make Zod cry about bad childhood memories?
There are no plot points to manipulate or big hidden truths to reveal. If Diana tries to use the lasso to bare the truths of Zod's soul, he will truthfully beat the shit out of her.
I can't wait for you to show me Zod doing this against a MAGICAL device that does these things. Ya know, the thing he is weakened against. Find that for me. Until then, she wraps him and takes advantage of him any way she wants. And yes, again, she has done it to far faster characters.
No limits fallacy.
I don't have to prove that Zod can resist something that Wonder Woman can't do.
Wonder Woman tries to lasso Zod. He steps aside (Sacrifice) or catches it (him catching Clark's fist, Phantom Stranger catching the lasso). Even if he gets caught in the loop, he just does this:
Originally posted by Smurph
What stops Zod from using HV blasts wide enough to level buildings? https://imgur.com/Jrjf48s
If you want to prove that he would stand in place while Diana tries to decapitate him, then prove it.
Did she stop a Monitaur here, yes or no?
Did she make someone see visions here, yes or no?
Let's start here first.
Originally posted by carver9
Did she make someone see visions here, yes or no?Let's start here first.
No, she did not
Wrong scan...
Originally posted by Smurph
She couldn't stop some dude from firing a gun while lassoed. That's not lowballing, it's your own scan.How will she stop Zod from using heat vision? Yes he's kryptonian and yes he also has actual psi defenses.
Did she make him see visions? The question is simple. You're avoiding for a reason. Why did he shoot himself?
Did she make the monitor stop, yes or no?
Also, this is MAGIC controlling people, it's not a psi doing this, lmmfao.