Originally posted by leonidas👆
so what? you think he WASN'T trying to kill her...yet? you think if he wanted to kill her from the get-go he would have? i don't see it. looks like he tried right from the start to end her. the alternative is he wanted her to suffer so he wasn't 'really' trying to kill her? but it's made abundantly clear he DID.you either think he COULD have killed her but didn't because he wanted to prolong the fight to injure, or you think he was trying to kill her all along. either way, i don't think it can be doubted that he was going all out and all the same-opponent comparisons can't do anything to change that fact imo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85So you agree that Superman was not holding back? Given that he rarely tries to destroy/decimate his opponent?
He wanted the end result to be a dead Doomsday, but wanted him to suffer first before he died. That's what the comics text says, which I'm going with /shrug.
Originally posted by SmurphA lot more given a bloodlusted Superman couldn't manage that despite Wonder Woman holding back. Talk about quibbling...
lol, more quibbling.Either use Sacrifice as the comparator or don't. Zod ko'd a charging Supergirl with one punch. How many punches would it take to ko Wonder Woman?
It's the first of Leo's statements. He was trying to injure her as much as possible before ending the fight.
I have a bad guy in front of me, and I have a gun with six bullets. Rather than headshotting him with the first bullet, killing him, I take my time and shoot his left hand first, then his left leg, then his right hand, etc etc etc.
Giving the bad guy time to fight back and disarm me. I rarely shoot to kill etc.
This performance has nothing to do with how my cousin, a trained Special Forces soldier, fights, who John Wick double taps him in the head as soon as he can. There sre *some* similarities, sure, but the two of us have different mindsets and different paths to achieve the end result (the bad guy dying). Even though we both have the same powerset of gun shooting.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Would you elevate Zod over a such bloodlusted Superman?Or are you just panicking and prevaricating over this simple comparison?
Especially given how a holding back Wonder Woman managed to fight off and actually defeat that bloodlusted Superman leaving him gurgling with his throat cut on his knees?
Yes, I would elevate him.
Originally posted by ODG
Internet tough guy separated by one degree is still cringe internet tough guy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Bullshit.
Yes, I would elevate him.
Zod vs. Superman would be significantly in favor of Superman. Simply because -- without PIS -- Superman is that much more provenly powerful, on-panel.
Zod vs. an all-out Superman who knew Zod was endangering Lois/Metropolis would be even more in favor of Superman.
Zod vs. a bloodlusted Superman who was convinced Zod had already killed Lois/destroyed Metropolis would get even more utterly wrecked by Superman.
You are lying out the side of your mouth. And I don't appreciate it. I cannot see this as anything other than simple misogyny. In which case, find another medium of fiction that doesn't offend your delicate chauvinist sensibilities to discuss.
Well I didn't think it was moronic. You are very hostile, and you are just ignoring my points to accuse me of misogyny without actually debating points, maybe because abhi isn't online for you to bounce off on.
I just don't want to interact with someone so angry, nor do I care for your reasons, really. This is meant to be fun, so if you find this to be fun and fulfilling in your life, go on ahead.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85. . . . .
Well I didn't think it was moronic. You are very hostile
I suppose, that when you simply impose such arguments in our conversation... that is not meant to insult my intelligence. It's just how you actually think at the immediate moment. And just because you think differently from me at any single moment, that doesn't mean you are trying to attack me in a personal manner (not you, anyway).
Everyone has their own opinion, after all. So why attack you in a personal manner? I get it. I will try and do better. So I apologize to you.
I am sorry.
My insults are not meant to dissuade you from continuing debate. I actually want more constructive discourse. So keep going. But I am not going to hold back my frank impressions.
Superman sh1ts on Zod in a 1v1. Moreso when Superman has no moral inhibitions. Because frankly, that's like the only thing that inhibits Superman. Zod might be a decorated general, but when it comes to experience in herald-level battles with full Kryptonian-powers, Superman sh1ts on Zod.
Zod would easily beat him in chess. Zod would easily beat him in a game of StarCraft. But straight fisticuffs? Nah. Maybe base-level fighting without sunlight-enhanced superpowers. But Superman has more experience when fully powered.
And Wonder Woman actually fought against that. Fought against an all-out, bloodlusted Superman. And with her magical accoutrements and intimate knowledge of Superman, Wonder Woman actually defeated such a Superman... while holding back.
Scream about plot. Wail about story. But the Sacrifice storyline actually accounted for most, if not all, the typical circumstances that would call for dismissing that fight.
Either way, between you and I, the only question is, if you inserted Zod into the Sacrifice fight, would Superman ultimately be left on his knees with his throat cut whilst Zod having held back the entire time?
If you think so, there's really nothing left to discuss.
Originally posted by ODG
. . . . .I suppose, that when you simply impose such arguments in our conversation... that is not meant to insult my intelligence. It's just how you actually think at the immediate moment. And just because you think differently from me at any single moment, that doesn't mean you are trying to attack me in a personal manner (not you, anyway).
Everyone has their own opinion, after all. So why attack you in a personal manner? I get it. I will try and do better. So I apologize to you.
I am sorry.
My insults are not meant to dissuade you from continuing debate. I actually want more constructive discourse. So keep going. But I am not going to hold back my frank impressions.
Superman sh1ts on Zod in a 1v1. Moreso when Superman has no moral inhibitions. Because frankly, that's like the only thing that inhibits Superman. Zod might be a decorated general, but when it comes to experience in herald-level battles with full Kryptonian-powers, Superman sh1ts on Zod.
Zod would easily beat him in chess. Zod would easily beat him in a game of StarCraft. But straight fisticuffs? Nah. Maybe base-level fighting without sunlight-enhanced superpowers. But Superman has more experience when fully powered.
And Wonder Woman actually fought against that. Fought against an all-out, bloodlusted Superman. And with her magical accoutrements and intimate knowledge of Superman, Wonder Woman actually defeated such a Superman... while holding back.
Scream about plot. Wail about story. But the Sacrifice storyline actually accounted for most, if not all, the typical circumstances that would call for dismissing that fight.
Either way, between you and I, the only question is, if you inserted Zod into the Sacrifice fight, would Superman ultimately be left on his knees with his throat cut whilst Zod having held back the entire time?
If you think so, there's really nothing left to discuss.
You'd know if you could read, phaggot.
Even in Sacrifice fight, Superman knocked Wonder Woman out in one punch and was so overwhelmingly stronger than her that he was breaking her bones by squeezing through her vambraces. It's just that he was out of his mind saved her from getting killed.
Current Superman is far, far stronger than post crisis Superman, without question.