Wonder woman also consistently fights Cheetah who is faster than Superman in some cases.
I think that shows that she has some level of super speed, even though it is never shown that she has super preceptions since super sense are a hallmark of Kryptonians.
The question is, what is the basis of WW superspeed if she does not have super perceptions/senses?
Are we using super senses as a basis for true superspeed?
Originally posted by TGATES
Wonder woman also consistently fights Cheetah who is faster than Superman in some cases.I think that shows that she has some level of super speed, even though it is never shown that she has super preceptions since super sense are a hallmark of Kryptonians.
The question is, what is the basis of WW superspeed if she does not have super perceptions/senses?
Are we using super senses as a basis for true superspeed?
Yeah I think the way comics do things, the whole 'world is frozen in time ' is a trope that is reserved for speedsters - the Quicksilvers, Flashes etc.
Assigning a number (that means they're 10x as fast! 2x! 65x!) is meaningless and a fools errand, to me. It would only ever be arbitrary - all it means though, to me, is that they have true superspeed (and not in the same way that Cap or Spidey have, where things are in slow motion - I mean, Hawkman is capable of seeing Flash when he's vibrating invisible, can see a hummingbird's wings beating, but I'm not saying he's got true superspeed).
Originally posted by TGATES
Wonder woman also consistently fights Cheetah who is faster than Superman in some cases.
Cheetah has never been faster than Superman.
I think that shows that she has some level of super speed, even though it is never shown that she has super preceptions since super sense are a hallmark of Kryptonians.
The question is, what is the basis of WW superspeed if she does not have super perceptions/senses?
Are we using super senses as a basis for true superspeed?
We are basing speed as it is shown in comics.
But then the question is, do we assume because she is not overcome by people with superspeed that she is at least comparable to them or can perciecve them adequately enough to defend? I think that is what carver is saying.
The comics also never allude to Diana having other super senses often. I remember one time it was alluded to in a comic about her sight and hearing.
Does she still have the "eyes of Pallas"?
But you all are correct; they never explicitly state that WW is going light speed or her perceptions are lightspeed etc.
Wonder Woman's ability to hear plankton is a notable display of her superhuman senses. This specific instance occurs in Wonder Woman #1 (1987), which is part of the Post-Crisis reboot. In this issue, Wonder Woman demonstrates her enhanced hearing by being able to hear the sound of plankton moving in the water, highlighting the extraordinary extent of her perceptual abilities.
Even though this makes no sense. As water doesn't transmit sound lol. But Its one reference of super hearing, at least
Sorry, by super senses I mean perception speed. So like what Zod and Superman did in space i.e. in the middle of a battlefield, they just went into superspeed mode, their surroundings all suddenly froze in time (relative to them) and they just had a nice long chat and continued pushing each other around etc. THAT'S what I was asking for with WW - can she enter this 'superspeed, world is frozen' type thing.
She does have *some* superspeed, of course she does. But using ABC logic - in a thread where I've shown a powerless Zatanna, and Black Canary, blitzing Amazo before he can react or effect countermeasures (you even see his thought process unable to do anything against Dinah) shows how ineffective this is in comics, where there is no black and white when characters interact with each other, only a smooshy gray.
This exact same Amazo then later on attempts to fight WW and she fights him whilst directly comparing his speed to herself and Superman's - yet Canary blew his head off pretty easily. Zatanna shoulder barged him pretty quickly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, by super senses I mean perception speed. So like what Zod and Superman did in space i.e. in the middle of a battlefield, they just went into superspeed mode, their surroundings all suddenly froze in time (relative to them) and they just had a nice long chat and continued pushing each other around etc. THAT'S what I was asking for with WW - can she enter this 'superspeed, world is frozen' type thing.She does have *some* superspeed, of course she does. But using ABC logic - in a thread where I've shown a powerless Zatanna, and Black Canary, blitzing Amazo before he can react or effect countermeasures (you even see his thought process unable to do anything against Dinah) shows how ineffective this is in comics, where there is no black and white when characters interact with each other, only a smooshy gray.
This exact same Amazo then later on attempts to fight WW and she fights him whilst directly comparing his speed to herself and Superman's - yet Canary blew his head off pretty easily. Zatanna shoulder barged him pretty quickly.
No, she doesn't have instances of her being shown to do that.
But if she was shown to do that, how would that increase the odds of her beating Zod as opposed to what she is already equipped with?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It would categorically show how she would be, in a forum fight where plot is disregarded, have reactions close to/equal/surpassing Zod's.Plus it would mean I can't lord it over Carver, who only created this thread because he thought he could prove a point.
Fair point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
She literally ambushes them in a forrest lol. Sure, do show us random out of context scans Carver.
They are looking right at her. Cyborg is even blasting at her. Superman is looking right at her and still couldn't react fast enough to counter her bite. It's a blitz. Either Cyborg is faster than Superman or Superman couldn't counter her speed. I'm ok with either.
Originally posted by carver9
They are looking right at her. Cyborg is even blasting at her. Superman is looking right at her and still couldn't react fast enough to counter her bite. It's a blitz. Either Cyborg is faster than Superman or Superman couldn't counter her speed. I'm ok with either.
Without the element of surprise, ****ing Aquaman subdued her easily.
I guess Aquaman is faster than Flash and Superman???
Originally posted by carver9
Show me. I want to see a blitz. In the same comic, same issue.
Originally posted by Smurph
I think Abhi's argument is a "Watsonian vs Doylist" thingIe using entirely out-of-universe reasons to give a preferable view to power scaling in one medium is Doylist reasoning. But the forum tends to emphasize a Watsonian approach to comparing characters. If you asked a Superman reader whether he changed power levels between different writers, they would agree, but if you asked Batman, he would just think Superman is Superman on any given week.