]Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not going to do math to prove they can lift at least 2 tons - it's common sense. Anyone who can casually rip out an entire human spinal column is at least a 2-tonner. If you don't believe that, you're an idiot, and debating this is a waste of time.
It's not on me to accept your word as law. If you don't wish to prove your case, then concede the point, instead of insisting you're right with ad hominem on top of it. It's bad debating etiquette to demand your opponent accept your argument with no proof, then when challenged, you refuse to back up your argument and just attack the opponent.
]Originally posted by h1a8
I also proved that you need to be significantly more than 10 times stronger than the being whose spinal column you're ripping out, yet you keep ignoring the evidence.
You asserted, but didn't prove shit. That is massively two different things. Pulling random ass numbers out of thin air is not evidence despite your constant wailing.
]Originally posted by h1a8
The T-X never overpowered Arnold - not even once. Do you even understand what "overpower" means? They never engaged in a direct contest of strength. Meanwhile, Arnold crushed her arm with his hand. He's stronger.
You are on some magical drugs man.
]Originally posted by h1a8
You cherry-pick low showings for the characters you argue against while using the highest showings for the ones you support. You’re no better than Quanchi112 the troll.
I don't cherry pick low showings, I just don't discard them, because no matter what you think, they are still valid, and must be as much a part of the debate as high ends to paint the complete picture. And hell, for the TX, you discard any high ends she has at all in favor of your bias, as demonstrated above numerous times. You are LITERALLY the only one who thinks this battle goes the way you do, maybe it's time to consider that you are not the one who is correct here h1. But I guess ego and vanity won't let you think that you are not infallible.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not on me to accept your word as law. If you don't wish to prove your case, then concede the point, instead of insisting you're right with ad hominem on top of it. It's bad debating etiquette to demand your opponent accept your argument with no proof, then when challenged, you refuse to back up your argument and just attack the opponent.You asserted, but didn't prove shit. That is massively two different things. Pulling random ass numbers out of thin air is not evidence despite your constant wailing.
You are on some magical drugs man.
I don't cherry pick low showings, I just don't discard them, because no matter what you think, they are still valid, and must be as much a part of the debate as high ends to paint the complete picture. And hell, for the TX, you discard any high ends she has at all in favor of your bias, as demonstrated above numerous times. You are LITERALLY the only one who thinks this battle goes the way you do, maybe it's time to consider that you are not the one who is correct here h1. But I guess ego and vanity won't let you think that you are not infallible.
I'm not going to do math to prove they can lift at least 2 tons - it's common sense. Anyone who can casually rip out an entire human spinal column is at least a 2-tonner. If you don't believe that, you're an idiot, and debating this is a waste of time.
Just to add, the world record for the bench press is 1400 lbs, and the deadlift is 1100 lbs. A Predator is multiple times stronger than any human. Even the world's strongest man couldn't casually rip out an adult male's spinal column, lift a 250 lb man into the air by his neck with one arm, or tear through a subway train like tissue paper. A 2-ton estimate is a lowball for a Predator - any reasonable person would agree they can lift at least a car.
I already provided proof, yet you keep claiming I didn't. You're just ignored it.
I also proved that you need to be significantly more than 10 times stronger than the being whose spinal column you're ripping out, yet you keep ignoring the evidence.
The T-X never overpowered Arnold - not even once. Do you even understand what "overpower" means? They never engaged in a direct contest of strength. Meanwhile, Arnold crushed her arm with his hand. He's stronger.
I've watched the fight scenes plenty of times before I made the magical drug post. Again, they never engaged in a direct contest of strength. You merely showed her blocking his attack. A weaker person can easily block and stop an attack from a much stronger opponent.
Also, when beings are significantly stronger than the weight of others, they can easily manhandle them.
You didn't post clips of Arnold manhandling her. Once again, you cherry-picked the showings.
You cherry-pick low showings for the characters you argue against while using the highest showings for the ones you support. You're no better than Quanchi112 the troll.
But you don't consider lower showings for your character. You only bring up the highest feats (RPG this, RPG that). Yet, when it comes to the Predator, you ignore their best feats and focus only on their weakest. That's called the highball-lowball con game.
When someone cherry-picks, it makes some debates impossible to resolve. That's why we focus on the highest feats and disregard the lower ones.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Plasma cannon, flamethrower, buzzsaw or just punching a hole in his chest because she's quite a bit stronger than him.
He'll easily dodge the comically slow, telegraphed plasma cannon.
The flamethrower won't be used.
The buzz saw won't be used either, and even if it were, it wouldn't kill a normal Predator on initial contact. It's not like the Predator is just going to stand there and take the hit. A normal Predator also has wristblades to block and can evade the attack.
Lmao at her supposedly punching a hole in their chest - she can't even do that to a normal Predator. The UP is at least 10 times stronger than a normal Predator, has bulletproof skin, and can break wristblades with their bare hands.
Originally posted by h1a8
Just to add, the world record for the bench press is 1400 lbs, and the deadlift is 1100 lbs. A Predator is multiple times stronger than any human. Even the world's strongest man couldn't casually rip out an adult male's spinal column, lift a 250 lb man into the air by his neck with one arm, or tear through a subway train like tissue paper. A 2-ton estimate is a lowball for a Predator - any reasonable person would agree they can lift at least a car.I already provided proof, yet you keep claiming I didn't. You're just ignored it.
No, you made an assertion, a statement, of your claim, but you offer no actual evidence to back that claim. I've seen regular strength dudes break ribs casually. Hey peak Underdaker was throat lifting people one handed in his early career. We have examples of people ripping phonebooks with their bare hands.
The yautja is stronger than peak human, but we've not SEEN it actually confirm a 2 ton strength feat straight up, why? because a spinal column cannot withstand two tons of weight pr pressure on it before it snaps. What you are doing is guess working estimates, and you've overblown it dramatically. Whether this is intentional or not, I do not know, but we can't make such a wildly overblown estimate work in a VS debate.
Originally posted by h1a8
I've watched the fight scenes plenty of times before I made the magical drug post. Again, they never engaged in a direct contest of strength. You merely showed her blocking his attack. A weaker person can easily block and stop an attack from a much stronger opponent.
Obviously you aren't paying attention to the gifs. She face tanked 4 hits from the T-850 with a weapon with no damage whatsoever. Blocked a 5th hit from the weapon, then flicked him away with a kick.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also, when beings are significantly stronger than the weight of others, they can easily manhandle them.
What is your point here? The T-X weighs in fairly close to the T-850. it's the reason he can also toss her around at times. The physical strength and durability comes from her advanced materials and frame design compared to his.
Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't post clips of Arnold manhandling her. Once again, you cherry-picked the showings.
You said you saw no points of her overpowering him. I provided those points. You didn't ask me for a clip of the entire fight. You like to rant and rave about incomplete evidence, but I only provided material to prove my case.
If you watched the entire fight, your memory is poor, and if you wanted a video of the entire fight, you didn't ask for that but expected it. But here, because you'll whinge if I don't.
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Originally posted by h1a8
But you don't consider lower showings for your character. You only bring up the highest feats (RPG this, RPG that). Yet, when it comes to the Predator, you ignore their best feats and focus only on their weakest. That's called the highball-lowball con game.
I consider all showings for my character. I just don't prove my opponents case for them. Thats not my job. You completely ignored the RPG in favor of the leg rip. You are a hypocrite in this aspect. And thats another thing, how is she supposed to deadlift the wreckage with the blast door crushing down on it?
Originally posted by h1a8
When someone cherry-picks, it makes some debates impossible to resolve. That's why we focus on the highest feats and disregard the lower ones.
The problem you are having is that you started doing the cherry picking as soon as you posted here, long before I made my first post in this thread. You can't blame the others for responding in kind to your hypocriticism. And you seem to do this sort of thing in every thread you participate in, without fail. you are well known for it among your peers here, and it's why nobody respects you or treats you as anything more than a Quan level troll and a joke. I don't like it because I try to give everyone a fair chance, but sadly, i can see now, you have earned your reputation, and clearly you have not changed since the last time I debated with you, which was about chaingun ammunition. I literally had to pull up several damage calculators, and screenshot that evidence before you vanished into the either. You didn't even respond to admit I was right.
Originally posted by h1a8
The buzz saw won't be used either, and even if it were, it wouldn't kill a normal Predator on initial contact. It's not like the Predator is just going to stand there and take the hit. A normal Predator also has wristblades to block and can evade the attack.
A distinctly non spinning blade disembowling a predator... Interesting.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lmao at her supposedly punching a hole in their chest - she can't even do that to a normal Predator. The UP is at least 10 times stronger than a normal Predator, has bulletproof skin, and can break wristblades with their bare hands.
Why not? She certainly has the physical strength to do it. T1 Terminator punched a hole easily through a human. And again, the bus feat remains relevant as that was still a T-800 with no change, Oh and the Terminator Missile Maneuver.
Which, lets face it, no Yautja is surviving.
Now, having said all of this, answering your points blow for blow and you providing no actual evidence beyond words which, lets face it, are hyperbole, full of hypocritical double standards, and misinformation, and providing only 4 screenshots, compared to the mountains and mountains of videos gifs and images I have provided, I think I've made my case enough that anyone here can see who is correct. I am an old sick man h1, and the reason i don't post as often as I used to years ago is because I don't have the energy for debates like these. I stuck this one out, but I have no time to deal with another quan level troll who seems intent on having the last word, no matter how wrong that word is.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why not? She certainly has the physical strength to do it. T1 Terminator punched a hole easily through a human. And again, the bus feat remains relevant as that was still a T-800 with no change, Oh and the Terminator Missile Maneuver.Which, lets face it, no Yautja is surviving.
Also, as an addendum to this, we cannot quantify exactly what it takes to pull the head off of a Yautja, because the Yautja is a fictional creature. There's a lot of variables we don't have the detailed information with regards to it, from biology to the tensile strength of it's muscle and bone structures. We'll likely never have that level of detail needed to completely quantify the upper and lower end estimates of the feat.
But we do have the Bus, specifically the weight of the bus. School buses of that type have a weight around 36,000 pounds, that's 18 US tons, or 16.32 tonnes. The T-800, an aged and inferior model to the T-850, one hand dead lifted it.
Originally posted by h1a8
He'll easily dodge the comically slow, telegraphed plasma cannon.The flamethrower won't be used.
The buzz saw won't be used either, and even if it were, it wouldn't kill a normal Predator on initial contact. It's not like the Predator is just going to stand there and take the hit. A normal Predator also has wristblades to block and can evade the attack.
Lmao at her supposedly punching a hole in their chest - she can't even do that to a normal Predator. The UP is at least 10 times stronger than a normal Predator, has bulletproof skin, and can break wristblades with their bare hands.
He gets tagged by normal humans lol. He's slow.
And why is that?
Lmao the T-X's buzzsaw cut through the particle accelerator while she was completely immobilized by its magnetic field. It's going to go through the predator like butter.
I've already addressed your bs calculations in the posts failed to reply to. Everyone knows you ran away. ChatGPT can't save you, son.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, you made an assertion, a statement, of your claim, but you offer no actual evidence to back that claim. I've seen regular strength dudes break ribs casually. Hey peak Underdaker was throat lifting people one handed in his early career. We have examples of people ripping phonebooks with their bare hands.The yautja is stronger than peak human, but we've not SEEN it actually confirm a 2 ton strength feat straight up, why? because a spinal column cannot withstand two tons of weight pr pressure on it before it snaps. What you are doing is guess working estimates, and you've overblown it dramatically. Whether this is intentional or not, I do not know, but we can't make such a wildly overblown estimate work in a VS debate.
You seriously think tearing a phonebook or breaking ribs equates to lifting 2 tons? Really?
Anyone in their right mind would understand that if a being can casually rip the entire spinal column from a strong 200+ lb human, then they can at least lift a large car - which weighs around 2 tons.
Likewise, anyone in their right mind would believe that if a being can tear through a subway train like it's made of tissue paper, then they should easily be able to lift 2 tons.
What is your point here? The T-X weighs in fairly close to the T-850. it's the reason he can also toss her around at times. The physical strength and durability comes from her advanced materials and frame design compared to his.
You said you saw no points of her overpowering him. I provided those points. You didn't ask me for a clip of the entire fight. You like to rant and rave about incomplete evidence, but I only provided material to prove my case.
If you watched the entire fight, your memory is poor, and if you wanted a video of the entire fight, you didn't ask for that but expected it. But here, because you'll whinge if I don't.[/URL]
Their respective weights are irrelevant since both are far stronger than what they weigh. Spider-Man, who can lift around 20 tons on average, has the strength to hurl Hulk, Juggernaut, and others many feet through the air, as they only weigh about half a ton.
I already rebutted the claim that she overpowered them. You ignored my rebuttal entirely, failed to address it, and just repeated the same nonsense.
[quote][b]I consider all showings for my character. I just don't prove my opponents case for them. Thats not my job. You completely ignored the RPG in favor of the leg rip. You are a hypocrite in this aspect. And thats another thing, how is she supposed to deadlift the wreckage with the blast door crushing down on it?
I didn't ignore the RPG feat - that's why I pointed out that their joints aren't proven to be as strong as their chassis. The RPG never hit their joints directly. And what are you even talking about? There was no blast door crushing the helicopter that had her pinned.
The problem you are having is that you started doing the cherry picking as soon as you posted here, long before I made my first post in this thread. You can't blame the others for responding in kind to your hypocriticism. And you seem to do this sort of thing in every thread you participate in, without fail. you are well known for it among your peers here, and it's why nobody respects you or treats you as anything more than a Quan level troll and a joke. I don't like it because I try to give everyone a fair chance, but sadly, i can see now, you have earned your reputation, and clearly you have not changed since the last time I debated with you, which was about chaingun ammunition. I literally had to pull up several damage calculators, and screenshot that evidence before you vanished into the either. You didn't even respond to admit I was right.
A distinctly non spinning blade disembowling a predator... Interesting.
Why not? She certainly has the physical strength to do it. T1 Terminator punched a hole easily through a human. And again, the bus feat remains relevant as that was still a T-800 with no change, Oh and the Terminator Missile Maneuver.
Which, lets face it, no Yautja is surviving.
Now, having said all of this, answering your points blow for blow and you providing no actual evidence beyond words which, lets face it, are hyperbole, full of hypocritical double standards, and misinformation, and providing only 4 screenshots, compared to the mountains and mountains of videos gifs and images I have provided, I think I've made my case enough that anyone here can see who is correct. I am an old sick man h1, and the reason i don't post as often as I used to years ago is because I don't have the energy for debates like these. I stuck this one out, but I have no time to deal with another quan level troll who seems intent on having the last word, no matter how wrong that word is.
The disc blade is far superior to any conventional blade made by man - need me to list feats? Her weapon is just a glorified buzz saw that struggles to cut through a car roof. You also ignored the fact that I already said it wouldn't even come into play here, and she'd have trouble landing a hit anyway. Plus, the UP >>>>> a Predator in durability (using the highest showings). Especially when show to break a Yautja wrist blade with its bare hands.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you never proved it broke the blades, merely that some metal pieces flew off.If you assert that the blades themselves were broken, prove it.
It broke the blades. The sound of metal shattering was clear, and we could see pieces of the blade pieces flying through the air. Upon closer inspection - particularly when viewed in 0.25x speed and paused at key moments - it becomes clear that the base of the blades also appeared to be broken, resembling a sword shattered by another sword.
Originally posted by h1a8
It broke the blades. The sound of metal shattering was clear, and we could see pieces of the blade pieces flying through the air. Upon closer inspection - particularly when viewed in 0.25x speed and paused at key moments - it becomes clear that the base of the blades also appeared to be broken, resembling a sword shattered by another sword.
The sound of Metal shattering =/= the blades being shattered, as I have given a reasonable explanation for it (the gauntlet components).
Again, since you are so assertive for this, prove it. That's all I keep asking.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The sound of Metal shattering =/= the blades being shattered, as I have given a reasonable explanation for it (the gauntlet components).Again, since you are so assertive for this, prove it. That's all I keep asking.
And as far as my visual proof:
Originally posted by h1a8
... Upon closer inspection - particularly when viewed in 0.25x speed and paused at key moments - it becomes clear that the base of the blades also appeared to be broken, resembling a sword shattered by another sword.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Post the scene, then. As I keep asking. I know you are able to post scenes etc, as you have done so before.Yet when called upon to prove it, you mysteriously...don't.
I gave you clear directions on what to do - just like providing issue numbers.
The scene is freely available on YouTube. Follow the instructions:
• At 0:29, set the playback speed to 0.25x (YouTube has an option for this).
• Continue hitting play and pause to further slow down the action.
• Somewhere within 0:31, you'll see the blade snapped in half while in the air.
If you have any trouble with this or fail to see the snapped blade, let me know.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I fail to see them. I want to see what you see, in order to better gauge if the interpretaion of mine is wrong.