Originally posted by h1a8
I still don't see your point. Where is the double standard? Where is the cherry picking of contradictory feats?Break it down for me very simply.
You cherrypicked the T-X ripping off her legs as a weakness of her joints to assume the UP can rip them easily, while ignoring the high end of the RPG-7 hit directly to the shoulder joint, that did nothing. An explosive anti tank rocket that is easily equal to the explosive harpoon that DID completely dismantle the UP.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
From hereYou cherrypicked the T-X ripping off her legs as a weakness of her joints to assume the UP can rip them easily, while ignoring the high end of the RPG-7 hit directly to the shoulder joint, that did nothing. An explosive anti tank rocket that is easily equal to the explosive harpoon that DID completely dismantle the UP.
It clearly damaged her shoulder, as shown. The ability to repair damage is irrelevant to how resistant she is to being damaged in the first place.
I don't see a contradiction between the RPG scene and her ripping her legs off. Although I need more convincing on this, I'm not intentionally doing what you claim I'm doing.
You selectively highlighted instances where the UP was shot while ignoring scenes where bullets bounced off effortlessly and where its hand easily broke the Predator's wrist blade. These feats don't make the UP more durable than the T-X, but they still demonstrate insane durability, which you're refusing to acknowledge.
Originally posted by h1a8
It clearly damaged her shoulder, as shown. The ability to repair damage is irrelevant to how resistant she is to being damaged in the first place.I don't see a contradiction between the RPG scene and her ripping her legs off. Although I need more convincing on this, I'm not intentionally doing what you claim I'm doing.
You selectively highlighted instances where the UP was shot while ignoring scenes where bullets bounced off effortlessly and where its hand easily broke the Predator's wrist blade. These feats don't make the UP more durable than the T-X, but they still demonstrate insane durability, which you're refusing to acknowledge.
Are you serious? No it didn't! The only thing it damaged was the liquid metal, not the endoskeleton beneath it. The only actual damage was to the delicate components of the plasma cannon's firing system, not the actual shoulder joint of the endoskeleton, which took the majority of the blast easily.
I was making a point as to you believing the UP being invulnerable to the T-X, without ever accounting for equivalent durability and strength. I am not the one who actually disagreed with you about the wristblades. I said that snapping the blades is not quite enough of a strength feat to state it can do the same to the T-X's limbs on it's own, that is the only thing I said. Darksaint is the one who made the argument of the blades being snapped at the fixing point of the gauntlet.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroOf course, the T-X can harm the UP.
Are you serious? No it didn't! The only thing it damaged was the liquid metal, not the endoskeleton beneath it. The only actual damage was to the delicate components of the plasma cannon's firing system, not the actual shoulder joint of the endoskeleton, which took the majority of the blast easily.I was making a point as to you believing the UP being invulnerable to the T-X, without ever accounting for equivalent durability and strength. I am not the one who actually disagreed with you about the wristblades. I said that snapping the blades is not quite enough of a strength feat to state it can do the same to the T-X's limbs on it's own, that is the only thing I said. Darksaint is the one who made the argument of the blades being snapped at the fixing point of the gauntlet.
I don't believe I ever implied or stated that the UP was invulnerable to the T-X. If I did, then that was a mistake on my part. As far as I know, my argument has always been that the UP can take some hits from the T-X and still remain in the fight. I was emphasizing its durability to support that case.
If the RPG scene contradicts the scene where she pulled her legs off, then I concede the point and will disregard that scene. The liquid metal may have provided some shielding for her endoskeleton, similar to how water can slow bullets to the point of being harmless after a few inches of travel.
Her skeleton is unquestionably stronger and more durable than steel - perhaps comparable to titanium or a high-strength titanium alloy.
To be objective, I'll reassess everything now…
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course, the T-X can harm the UP.I don't believe I ever implied or stated that the UP was invulnerable to the T-X. If I did, then that was a mistake on my part. As far as I know, my argument has always been that the UP can take some hits from the T-X and still remain in the fight. I was emphasizing its durability to support that case.
If the RPG scene contradicts the scene where she pulled her legs off, then I concede the point and will disregard that scene. The liquid metal may have provided some shielding for her endoskeleton, similar to how water can slow bullets to the point of being harmless after a few inches of travel.
Her skeleton is unquestionably stronger and more durable than steel - perhaps comparable to titanium or a high-strength titanium alloy.
To be objective, I'll reassess everything now…
Well, i took the liberty of putting together this kind of VS in two other more... reliable VS forums than here to give it a go, even upped the stakes and gave them expanded arsenals somewhat.
Spacebattles and Sufficient Velocity
Feel free to follow along if you want. Though I worry I may have given the UP some overpowered buffs lol 😛
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not on me to accept your word as law. If you don't wish to prove your case, then concede the point, instead of insisting you're right with ad hominem on top of it. It's bad debating etiquette to demand your opponent accept your argument with no proof, then when challenged, you refuse to back up your argument and just attack the opponent.You asserted, but didn't prove shit. That is massively two different things. Pulling random ass numbers out of thin air is not evidence despite your constant wailing.
You are on some magical drugs man.
I don't cherry pick low showings, I just don't discard them, because no matter what you think, they are still valid, and must be as much a part of the debate as high ends to paint the complete picture. And hell, for the TX, you discard any high ends she has at all in favor of your bias, as demonstrated above numerous times. You are LITERALLY the only one who thinks this battle goes the way you do, maybe it's time to consider that you are not the one who is correct here h1. But I guess ego and vanity won't let you think that you are not infallible.
So the T-x completely overpowering and manhandling Arnold on onscreen, isn't proof that the T-X overpowered Arnold. Good Stuff.
Originally posted by Robtard
So the T-x completely overpowering and manhandling Arnold on onscreen, isn't proof that the T-X overpowered Arnold. Good Stuff.
She never "overpowered" him - do you even know what that word means?
When a character is significantly stronger than their opponent's weight, they can easily manhandle them. That's just basic logic.
Now show Arnold manhandling her even more than what she did to him.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I will obviously concede the blast door feat as I misremembered that it was Arnie who was holding it, but as a replacement argument, the TX is a shape shifter to a certain extent, so the moment the Predator touches it, it could put the Predator's limbs into an unbreakable lock while it prepares it's plasma bolt and then, to paraphrase Dutch, "if it bleeds, she can kill it"
Originally posted by h1a8Since when has the Autism Predator or any Predator displayed better strength feats than a Terminator? A simple push from the TX sent the Terminator through several walls: hSZkU9Yyp0w&pp=ygUVdGVybWluYXRvciAzIHR4IGZpZ2h0.
The UP is stronger than the TX and could potentially tear its limbs off. It's significantly stronger than a standard Predator, which already has feats in the multi-ton range.
Meanwhile Lick Her Pussy Autism Predator (Oh how I hate that movie 😠 ) was susceptible to bullets and got knocked off a cliff by Donald Pierce.
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Autism Predator is not stronger, and like I said, the moment it touches the TX, The TX can shapeshift itself to trap the Autism Predator in place while it loads and then kills the Autism Predator with it's plasma cannon.
Originally posted by Lestov16The wall push was, at most, a few tons. Terminators are stronger than a standard Predator, but not stronger than the UP.
Since when has the Autism Predator or any Predator displayed better strength feats than a Terminator? A simple push from the TX sent the Terminator through several walls: hSZkU9Yyp0w&pp=ygUVdGVybWluYXRvciAzIHR4IGZpZ2h0.Meanwhile Lick Her Pussy Autism Predator (Oh how I hate that movie 😠 ) was susceptible to bullets and got knocked off a cliff by Donald Pierce.
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Autism Predator is not stronger, and like I said, the moment it touches the TX, The TX can shapeshift itself to trap the Autism Predator in place while it loads and then kills the Autism Predator with it's plasma cannon.
Predators have torn through subway train cars like they were made of tissue paper, and the UP is many times stronger than that.
The UP is bullet-resistant, with bullets bouncing off it easily. You're cherry-picking the TX's highest feats against the UP's lowest - that's just trolling. To avoid cherry-picking and contradictory low showings, we go by highest showings only.
PredaTourettes Syndrome literally bleeds after getting shot in the face at 6:53 of the video I posted. The entire crux of your argument for the PredaTism's strength isn't even based on its own feats but rather scaling it against other Predators. If we're going to use that logic, Predators tearing through subway metal doesn't mean shit compared to Terminators, who tear through car and truck metal like aluminum foil on multiple instances.
Originally posted by Lestov16
PredaTourettes Syndrome literally bleeds after getting shot in the face at 6:53 of the video I posted. The entire crux of your argument for the PredaTism's strength isn't even based on its own feats but rather scaling it against other Predators. If we're going to use that logic, Predators tearing through subway metal doesn't mean shit compared to Terminators, who tear through car and truck metal like aluminum foil on multiple instances.
Did you see the movie? Earlier in the film, the UP was shown to be highly bulletproof, with bullets bouncing off its body. There's also a scene where it breaks another Predator's wristblade with its bare hands by blocking a stab attempt. These scenes contradict the idea that it's vulnerable to bullets at the end of the movie. Inconsistent and bad writing.
Do you know how durable subway cars are? They're significantly tougher than cars and trucks. I'm not arguing that a Predator is stronger - I'm illustrating how powerful the UP is. Imagine being multiple times stronger than someone who can tear through a subway train car like it's tissue paper.