Originally posted by carver9
Where did Superman say they are evenly matched.? He said it's a fair fight. Superman just out fought him. Wraith didn't use any fancy powers on Superman, he physically beat on him.
Gotcha. So you are admitting another issue for Wraith in this fistfight - he's shit at fighting lmao.
I paraphrased, admittedly - he did say it was a fair fight, now that Wraith had only his strength/speed/wits.
Originally posted by carver9
Where did Superman say they are evenly matched.? He said it's a fair fight. Superman just out fought him. Wraith didn't use any fancy powers on Superman, he physically beat on him.
Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't do that when Wraith had his full powers. Wraith even fell to the ground which pretty much shows more was at play there. He was weakened.
And in this thread, you specifically asked for a fist fight without gimmicks
Originally posted by carver9
This is a fist fight only. No gimmicks!!!
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He doesn't have his fancy powers, only his physical powers(strength, speed). And in this situation(I.E, a fist fight), Superman physically beats him as you admittedAnd in this thread, you specifically asked for a fist fight without gimmicks
We clearly see him talking to his knees and Superman attacking him repeatedly after that.
Originally posted by carver9
Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.
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He has 'some type of augmenting abilities'? What do you mean, and please provide proof of this!
This thread is gold lmao. So what abilities can Wraith use in the fistfight, pray tell?
Originally posted by carver9
Alternate universe Wonder Woman. You're better than this.
I never said otherwise? I was pointing out that he caught a bloodlusted WW's blade in his bare hands (a durability and speed feat - you try catching a sword in your bare hands lol), casually shattered it (a strength feat) and then one shot them (true, Kingdom Come WW probably has no durability feats...or does she)?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meanwhile, just to remind people what Darkseid did:n52 Superman is stronger than Rebirth? Even assuming IF IF IF he is (which carver keeps running away from), is he stronger than Rebirth and KC Superman COMBINED?
And then, and then, even IF IF IF he is (lol), he would have to be significantly stronger than the two, COMBINED. Because the two Supermen COMBINED weren't even making DS flinch. He was literally no-selling them. If IF IF Rebirth Superman is 100, KC is 110, then n52 Superman/Wraith would have to be 300-350 just to fight DS, lol. They can't *just* be stronger than Rebirth+KC, they have to be significantly stronger than them.
Great thread, Carvy. Now go ahead and prove that n52 Superman/Wraith are significantly stronger than those two Supermen combined, without statements (because with statements, it looks even worse for you). Statements are all well and good, but we saw what the results were - Wraith, without his fancier powers, was beaten by Superman.
Unless a weaker, slower Superman beat a stronger, faster Wraith? ABC logic suddenly doesn't work now, or does it?
Just so you don't miss this, cowardly hypocrite 😂
Originally posted by carver9
Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I never said otherwise? I was pointing out that he caught a bloodlusted WW's blade in his bare hands (a durability and speed feat - you try catching a sword in your bare hands lol), casually shattered it (a strength feat) and then one shot them (true, Kingdom Come WW probably has no durability feats...or does she)?
The ft is trash when you factor in them being alternate characters.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wasn't Wraith being overpowered by Superman before he used Kryptonite radiation? Like, just before the scan you posted, Wraith literally exposes Superman to Kryptonite radiation
https://ibb.co/SJNW21R
https://ibb.co/FJ6CpVF
https://ibb.co/5YgsNc4
I wouldn't call that overpowering. Wraith was toying with him
Originally posted by carver9
The ft is trash when you factor in them being alternate characters.
Well, a certain smart poster said this:
Originally posted by carver9
He recently did this. Main stream Superman and KC Superman was punching him and it did absolutely nothing. I don't even think that's his best scene in the comic. Him slapping aside Flash effortlessly is the better showing imo.Here's the scene...
https://screenrant.com/darkseid-more-powerful-superman-justice-league/
So....
Insane hand speeds there. DS casually backhanding a blitzing Flash without even looking at him.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Do you get the proofs about your claims?
I mean just pages later, Superman defeats Wraith once they only get their strength and speed and wits/no fancy powers like Kryptonite radiation
Yes, after breaking his ribs, he tells Superman he is can have a minute or two to recoup. Lol... That doesn't sound like someone that is taking the fight serious...
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, after breaking his ribs, he tells Superman he is can have a minute or two to recoup. Lol... That doesn't sound like someone that is taking the fight serious...
Also, care to explain how Superman can beat Wraith in a fist fight like pages after?
Originally posted by carver9
He also no sold black hole bullets that had Superman bleeding from the head...
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DS shouldn't fire his black hole bullets, then.
At the end of the day, what's the summary here? That Wraith is more durable/stronger/faster than n52 Superman, who in turn is.....signifcantly stronger than Rebirth Superman and KC Superman combined?
N52 Superman then turning around and fighting Wraith when all his fancier powers were turned off, and beating him when only strength/speed/wits remained, kinda shows statements don't mean much. Sure, he broke Superman's ribs when he had his fancy powers, but it shows he didn't do it on pure strength alone (otherwise, well, he would've done the same to a Superman who was already injured).
And at the end of the day, DS still just walked casually through a barrage of desperate blows from two Supermen, without even flinching. Casually backhanded a speeding Flash attempting to blitz, without even looking at him. You cannot deny this, carver.
Darkseid stomps here. Wraith being stronger than n52 Superman (based on statements, otherwise Carver is forced to admit the fight was PIS since a slower/weaker Superman defeated Wraith) doesn't mean anything, unless he can show Wraith being SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than two Supermen.
And he can't.