Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah he does.They just pale when compared to Orion's:
Yes, it's old. But Carver (i.e. the OP) is allowing old-ass comics from the Pre-Crisis era, and as he confirms on this page, inconsistencies occur all the time 👆
Wouldn't the totality of Orion's feats apply to him anyway? Meaning, aren't they all canon?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
PEOPLE are saying he's flying.Narration in the same comics show how it only appears like he's flying, but in actual fact he's leaping. See Rick Jones' words.
Kirby wanted Hulk to fly and drew him as such, but Stan Lee overruled him. That's why in later issues Kirby draws him 'properly'.
No one would think he is flying unless, he is actually flying and again, he's literally maneuvering in the sky. There's no other way to explain that minus him flying.
Will yall chill with all of this who can hit who nonsense. We all know if these two faced off in a comic they would be able to hit each other just fine.
They both can move ftl, they are both speedsters. All that combat speed vs travel speed is just plain silly imo. If they can react to crap coming at them ftl while they fly then they can react to a punch.
Anyway, Orion has more powers, and seems to use them better.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Will yall chill with all of this who can hit who nonsense. We all know if these two faced off in a comic they would be able to hit each other just fine.They both can move ftl, they are both speedsters. All that combat speed vs travel speed is just plain silly imo. If they can react to crap coming at them ftl while they fly then they can react to a punch.
Anyway, Orion has more powers, and seems to use them better.
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The thing is, people need to realise WHO it was who made the thread. Carver is salty, so salty, because of a thread a month or so back where he had no choice but to admit that based on powers, Hulk would never touch Superman due to Superman's speed.
From that, he's been spiralling ever since. Hence the Zod Vs WW thread, or the Darkseid Vs Wraith thread, or this thread. It's been going on for quite a few weeks now.
He's just trying to make a point, but he's doing it so badly, plus it's a shitty point to start with...
Originally posted by carver9
No one would think he is flying unless, he is actually flying and again, he's literally maneuvering in the sky. There's no other way to explain that minus him flying.
I thought you didn't use character statements?
Which do you use here:
Lemme know. Rick thinks he's flying. Is he flying? If not, then your entire point falls over lmao.
Originally posted by carver9
Him needing disks to fly is proof. If he didn't need them, he wouldn't use them.
Inconsistencies exist. This you?
Originally posted by carver9
What Herald ISNT inconsistent? Inconsistency only matters with you all when it benefits you're argument which makes your debating style inconsistent.
Orion doesn't need discs to fly in the scan Delta posted, which is the important scan.
Originally posted by carver9
Im bringing up flight speed because he has super speed overall, so why not? He was also able to punch someone while crossing a Galaxy at eye blinking speeds.
Originally posted by carver9
Dark, can you please quote the full capacity rule for him that you tend to post in most threads
Sure.
Since Orion has been shown to possess such speed:
The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight.
Orion uses his speed and Gladiator gets thrashed.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Lowball" doesn't even begin to describe what you did there, lol. The size of the DC universe is canonically at least 200 TRILLION light years. So instead of using 46.5 billion, you actually need to use 100 trillion to get your massively disrespectful, low-end figure as intended. 👆
👆 Thanks Galan.
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm curious what's happened more often - Gladiator getting tagged by someone slower than Orion, or Gladiator killing someone on Orion's level as soon as the fight starts.
Lmmfao... this is a full capacity fight. Gladiator is far faster than Orion. That's how my scenario is legitimate
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought you didn't use character statements?Which do you use here:
Lemme know. Rick thinks he's flying. Is he flying? If not, then your entire point falls over lmao.
Inconsistencies exist. This you?
Orion doesn't need discs to fly in the scan Delta posted, which is the important scan.
So you bring up useless scans. Gotcha. Also, to parrot your Flash arguments, when he crossed the galaxy at god-blinking speeds - did he actually KO anyone?
Sure.
Since Orion has been shown to possess such speed:
Orion uses his speed and Gladiator gets thrashed.
👆 Thanks Galan.
Orion cant fly, so no, he ain't blitzing anyone.
Originally posted by carver9
Lmmfao... this is a full capacity fight. Gladiator is far faster than Orion. That's how my scenario is legitimate
Full-capacity Orion has a long history of tagging characters like Superman, Lightray, Darkseid, etc. Gladiator has zero instances of him killing someone on Orion's level in an instant. Your scenario is not legitimate.
Originally posted by batdude123
Full-capacity Orion has a long history of tagging characters like Superman, Lightray, Darkseid, etc. Gladiator has zero instances of him killing someone on Orion's level in an instant. Your scenario is not legitimate.
Tagging a character isn't a display of speed unless you plan on giving that to everyone. Orion doesn't have the fts proving he could even react to Gladiator during the onset of the fight. He would be koed by the time he even realized what was going on.
Originally posted by carver9
Tagging a character isn't a display of speed unless you plan on giving that to everyone. Orion doesn't have the fts proving he could even react to Gladiator during the onset of the fight. He would be koed by the time he even realized what was going on.
If we're going off of actual evidence instead of carver's delusions...
Orion has the ability to hit Gladiator.
Gladiator does not have the ability to KO Orion instantly.
As people have demonstrated with on-panel feats, it's even debatable that Gladiator is faster.